OilyPablo
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Throughout all this I keep thinking my 6.8SPC serves the purpose pretty darn well.
There are few people who can outshoot a 223, and even fewer who can outshoot 6.8 or 6.5. When you get into ranges that require 308, we're talking about a level of skill, knowledge, and technical capability that less than 1% of shooters have. Without those skills, and the glass to go with them, a 308 is good for little more than laying down covering fire at 5(ish)-8 hundred yards and punching through light barriers.Throughout all this I keep thinking my 6.8SPC serves the purpose pretty darn well.
This is probably the lightest 308 AR on the market right now. And I'm venturing to guess that it's also amongst the most expensive.
http://www.christensenarms.com/firearms/msr/ca-10-dmr
You could actually get pretty close to that building one yourself with a slim barrel and a lightweight handguard.
Are you absolutely certain you need a 308? What's the furthest you see yourself shooting, realistically? And are you willing to pay for the level of glass needed to go that far?
The reason I ask is you might be better of with something like 6.5 Grendel. You get some extra range but in a package that still fits into a small frame AR. You could easily build a sub 7 pound 6.5 that would shoot dime sized groups at 100 yards.
There are few people who can outshoot a 223, and even fewer who can outshoot 6.8 or 6.5. When you get into ranges that require 308, we're talking about a level of skill, knowledge, and technical capability that less than 1% of shooters have. Without those skills, and the glass to go with them, a 308 is good for little more than laying down covering fire at 5(ish)-8 hundred yards and punching through light barriers.
I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute. To be completely honest, if 300 yards is where you want to be, then 77gr. 223 will absolutely put you there, and beyond. I can't speak to its terminal effect at its maximum effective range, but it will hit center mass at 600 yards. And according to the military, those heavier rounds have more than acceptable terminal effects at 200-400 yards.
As far as glass, I would think a 4-12x (or even a 2.5-10x) will squeeze all the juice out of 223, whereas you're going to want something stronger, and with more features, to take 308 to its maximum range. If I were planning on shooting out to 800, then I would want at least a 16x with turrets, parallax adjustment, and darn good tracking. Pretty much everything in that category is around 2k. Those scopes are also large and heavy, whereas a 2.5-10x even is light and compact. The lower magnification is also going to make the rifle useful at closer ranges, so you'll fulfill your distance requirement and get some versatility as a bonus.
I didn't realize deer hunting was in the equation. Would this be in a theoretical SHTF situation, or is this something you really plan on doing?As far as devil's advocate goes, I have a Colt LE6920 that's one free float rail away from being just about everything you mention (accurate and effective with 77 gr at longer distances, reliable, 6.9 lbs before glass, etc.) but I just wouldn't feel comfortable taking game larger than coyotes at those kinds of distances, and I would like to be able to hunt deer with my hypothetical future SCAR 17.
For glass I'm thinking a 2.5-12x might be perfect for my applications. I do love the love 3.5x35 ACOG's though so I am tempted by the 6x48....
The advent of the reliable adjustable gas block eliminates the advantage the piston in gas block AR may have had over the direct gas AR and makes the direct gas AR one of the easiest weapon system to tune to run with a suppressor.
Modern suppressors no longer have a negative impact on precision
I didn't realize deer hunting was in the equation. Would this be in a theoretical SHTF situation, or is this something you really plan on doing?
This works well for around $1000. 8lbs empty as shown, can be cut down to 7lbs with lighter stock, rear sight and muzzle device. This will be hosting my Griffin Recce 7 when the stamp comes back.[/URL][/IMG]
What is "this"? It's a 308?
Well, sounds like you've made up your mind. I think we've chased every rabbit and kicked every dog, and it sounds like the SCAR has weathered the storm. Those poor deer won't stand a chance!Yes I stated I would like to hunt with it early on, but I didn't specify deer hunting. And no not just for SHTF, I would like to it retire my 30-06 for deer hunting and become my go-to rifle for whatever I need, including hunting.
Well, sounds like you've made up your mind. I think we've chased every rabbit and kicked every dog, and it sounds like the SCAR has weathered the storm. Those poor deer won't stand a chance!