Negligent Discharge Injury At Denver Gunshow

[alsaqr]

Someone had an ND: A person was shot in the leg.

""Someone negligently discharged a firearm, and it struck another person in the leg," they said. "There had been somebody that already applied a belt, as a makeshift tourniquet. It was ineffective. I applied a tourniquet that someone handed me."

Emergency responders arrived within minutes, the witness said. The male victim was rushed to the hospital in an ambulance."




http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...es-say/ar-BBEyhxq?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15

 

[hdwhit]

What can we say?

• The life of the shooter - as he knew it - is over.
  
• The life of victim - depending on the severity of the wound - could also be forever changed.
  
• At least two families will be plunged into turmoil.
  
• Pro-2A people get a black-eye in terms of the public's perception of us.
  
• There will be lawsuits galore.

And all of this so that someone immune to common sense could show off the effect of his testosterone supplements.

 

[boatdoc173]

ALWAYS assume EVERY gun is loaded

ALWAYS check it to be totally safe yourself

sorry to hear others did not follow these 2 very simple rules

 

[.455_Hunter]

I can't get the link to load, but I was at the show yesterday (Sunday). The ND occurred on Saturday.

Speaking to a random vendor, he said it was a vendor who shot his assistant with a 9mm Broomhandle Mauser.

Who knows???

 

[RPRNY]

FWIW (not a lot), I heard as well from someone who was there Saturday (though whether they were there at the time of the ND was a little hazy) that it was a vendor.

No idea why a vendor would be handling a loaded firearm inside the show - just seems a bad practice already. Speculation (or wild-arsed guessing) leads one to wonder whether he or she was handling a walk-in firearm or perhaps a personal EDC (the latter rather unlikey if it was a Broomhandle Muaser !). Doesn't excuse the ND, but it makes more sense than the idea that a vendor would load or allow one of his/her firearms to be loaded at the show. Sadly. hdwhit sums the whole thing up rather well.

 

[alsaqr]

This report says the gun involved was the vendors concealed carry piece.

"The firearm was discharged by a vendor, who was setting up on the day, wounding one of his employees, CBS4 reported. A witness told the station that the gun in question was the vendor’s personal, concealed carry firearm."

https://newsline.com/man-shot-at-tanner-gun-show/

Another report says the gun was a .357.

 

[dh1633pm]

You can repeat the safety rules a kazillion times. They mean nothing to those who don't listen. Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[FL-NC]

I have been at 2 shows where this has happened- luckily no one was shot. First one was in Fl, in the 80's. I believe a wall was shot.Second was a couple years ago in NC. A light fixture was shot out of the ceiling.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Been going to flea markets and gunshows looking, buying, occassionally selling for decades. Never heard of a negligent discharge at a local venue.

I think events like this are rarer than injuries at swimming pools or stock car races.But this will be trumpeted endlessly in the media because ... guns.

 

[Atla]

That eerie quiet moment after a round gets popped off when it shouldn't be.

-shudder-

Sadly there seems to be a common theme, poor gun handling skills even by those who SHOULD know better. We had a local dealer put a laser on a Glock than point it at his hand to show the customer and pulled the trigger. Sent a Speer GoldDot through his hand and bounced it off the concrete and out the door into the great unknown where lots of cars were driving by.

 

[stchman]

Reason I harp at people about gun safety. ALWAYS make sure the gun is unloaded when you handle it. Keep your finger off the trigger. I know TWO people that they instantly put their finger on the trigger when they handle a gun.

 

[Panzerschwein]

ALWAYS assume EVERY gun is loaded

ALWAYS check it to be totally safe yourself

sorry to hear others did not follow these 2 very simple rules

ALWAYS assume the guy next to.you at the gun show is foolish, as many are.

Can't begin to count the numbers of times I've had guns pointed at my head and chest among other things at gun shows, by people either not thinking about it or not even knowing they SHOULD be thinking about it!

Negligent gun handling happenes everywhere in this country millions of time daily. Sometimes it ends in tragedy.

It is one side effect of our freedoms, and sadly we have to live with it, because it will not stop happening.

 

[jmr40]

How did you determine it was a "negligent" discharge? Anytime a firearm is discharged it is either intentional or unintentional. If it were intentional there should be be criminal charges. If it were unintentional it is an "accident". Many accidents are later determined to be caused by negligence, but that is something for a jury to determine later. No where in the link does it give any details about how this event happened.

This quote from the link reads like something straight out of the gun control handbook, and with Denver's stance on guns isn't surprising.

"The word 'accident' implies it was impossible to prevent, that nobody is at blame," a witness said. "'Negligence' implies this could have been prevented."

This is completely false, here are the definitions from Websters dictionary.

Negligence:

failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances

There is not enough information to determine what reasonable care anyone exercised.

Accident:

an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance

Unless someone planned on firing the weapon it was an accident. And just because it was a pure accident does not mean you are not accountable. The difference in an accident and negligence may determine how much you you have to pay in a lawsuit or whether or not you are prosecuted. The person quoted that for the newspaper is an idiot.

Anytime anyone is involved in any type of accident your lawyer will tell you to keep your mouth shut and NEVER admit guilt. As gun owners we collectively should do the same. The gun control crowd has for years tried to prove in court that gun owners were collectively irresponsible and force us to pay for liability insurance in order to own guns, or pay huge taxes to pay for gunshot victims hospital bills. Back door gun control by making guns too expensive to own.

The concept of assuming all unintentional discharges are negligent is quite recent, and is playing right into the hands of the gun control crowd. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

 

[stchman]

How did you determine it was a "negligent" discharge? Anytime a firearm is discharged it is either intentional or unintentional. If it were intentional there should be be criminal charges. If it were unintentional it is an "accident". Many accidents are later determined to be caused by negligence, but that is something for a jury to determine later. No where in the link does it give any details about how this event happened.

This quote from the link reads like something straight out of the gun control handbook, and with Denver's stance on guns isn't surprising.



This is completely false, here are the definitions from Websters dictionary.

Negligence:



There is not enough information to determine what reasonable care anyone exercised.

Accident:



Unless someone planned on firing the weapon it was an accident. And just because it was a pure accident does not mean you are not accountable. The difference in an accident and negligence may determine how much you you have to pay in a lawsuit or whether or not you are prosecuted. The person quoted that for the newspaper is an idiot.

Anytime anyone is involved in any type of accident your lawyer will tell you to keep your mouth shut and NEVER admit guilt. As gun owners we collectively should do the same. The gun control crowd has for years tried to prove in court that gun owners were collectively irresponsible and force us to pay for liability insurance in order to own guns, or pay huge taxes to pay for gunshot victims hospital bills. Back door gun control by making guns too expensive to own.

The concept of assuming all unintentional discharges are negligent is quite recent, and is playing right into the hands of the gun control crowd. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies.

In the FIREARMS world:

A negligent discharge is one attributed to a user not exercising good judgement while handling a firearm(not checking for weapon being loaded, putting finger on the trigger while not actually shooting, etc).

An accidental discharge is one attributed to the weapon being either a faulty design, improper assembly, or worn parts.

If we get right down to it, accidental discharges are VERY rare, the overwhelming majority of discharges are negligent.

 

[alsaqr]

The vendor knowingly took his carry piece into the building in violation of Tanner gun show rules. Yep, some simply believe the rules do not apply to themselves.

"1. No Loaded Guns. ABSOLUTELY NO LOADED GUNS ARE ALLOWED IN THE SHOW. This includes concealed carry and any dealer side arms. All guns must be tied during show hours – NO exceptions."

https://tannergunshow.com/vendors/vendor-rules-regulations/

 

[dh1633pm]

You can't fix stupid.

 

[Ironicaintit]

I'm not shocked. I've seen some appalling negligence at gun shows. Most likely because everyone's walking around with the presumption that they're all empty, and so then they forgo rule #1.

Complacency at its finest!

 

[1911 guy]

I read the link, it opened for me no problem. I have thoughts, but no more actual information than anyone else.

Vendor carrying a broomhandle? Odd right there. I'd immediately suspect a showboat instead of a responsible CCW. Broomhandles are hardly considered good choices for CCW.

Now he's drawing a CCW, let's assume to clear it. Why not step outside, as he was just setting up and the show hadn't begun yet, if I read correctly.

Pointing a drawn pistol at someone and manipulating it, to boot. The one is bad enough without monkeying with it.

Bad trigger discipline as well as bad muzzle discipline.

At best, negligent. Hypothetical worst, a premeditated assault.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

Decades ago I was at my lgs cleaning, of all things, a nylon 66. In walks an older gentleman who bought a Browing hp & 2 boxes of hp ammo. He loaded the mag. at the counter, inserted it into the pistol & I heard him rack the slide which got my attention. I think he was trying to lower the hammer & it went off. It missed a guy who was behind the counter by about a foot. No one said a word. The old gent made sure everyone was ok & left. We never recovered that bullet. Once an off duty cop unloaded his service revolver, pointed it at an object on the wall & shot it. Same gun shop. Be careful folks.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

It has no bearing on the ND, but Denver and Adams County are not interchangeable names....

 

[Ignition Override]

When a bolt-action or semi-auto rifle has a zip tied bolt (gun show zip ties), it can be difficult to open the action, or pull the bolt far enough aft to Look at the chamber.

Obviously the intention is to prevent a round from being chambered.

Sure, a magazine can be removed, but you still can't check the chamber on so many guns.

 

[JohnKSa]

This report says the gun involved was the vendors concealed carry piece.

Do NOT unholster your carry gun in public unless you're going to use it to defend innocent life. Nothing good can come from unholstering a loaded gun in public if deadly force is not justified.

 

[Tommygunn]

....... Once an off duty cop unloaded his service revolver, pointed it at an object on the wall & shot it. Same gun shop. Be careful folks.

If the gun went off, the officer hadn't unloaded it.

 

[redneck2]

Nothing good can come from unholstering a loaded gun in public if deadly force is not justified.

That a good rule to remember

 

[Archie]

I looked at several reports on the incident and note a severe lack of details. Other than the basic '... someone shot, in hospital, not serious...' there seems to be conflicting and rather imprecise details. The concurrence of reports seem to indicate a vendor shot his partner or assistant in the leg.

I help run a gun show locally (my gun club). All display guns - for sale - must be tied with plastic wire ties so they cannot be loaded or fired without removing the zip tie. We have had one incident with an agent provocateur 'we' suspect of trying to load weapons in order to cause a discharge. Frankly, I'm most of a mind to suspect an 'activist' (terrorist?) doing something to cause a problem than a vendor being so stupid. Yeah, it could happen a vendor does something stupid, but my primary suspicion is a terrorist.