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neighbor looking for a new ar-15

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I'm trying to talk him into a Smith and Wesson M&P 15... I don't have the time to look for the best deal out there... who has the best deal for one of these rifles? thanks, Johnny
 
I've seen the S&W M&P 15 sport on sale as low as $550, just a couple weeks ago locally.

ARs in general... the price range is so wide it's not worth trying to suggest a rifle without knowing more about what he wants and what the budget is.
 
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Have your neighbor look online at something like budsgunshop.com to get an idea what the price range is for ARs and then figure out what features he wants or doesn't want on it.
 
I recently won an auction for one on Gunbroker from Sportsmans Supply out of Butler, PA for $475 + $15 shipping + the $15 I give my FFL. They shipped it fast but their communication & customer service was underwhelming.

Just before that I won one on GB from BW Outfitters out of Anita, Iowa for $504 plus $30 shipping . They have outstanding customer service in every regard.
 
Gungenie.com ...he would be buying direct from the distributor and the prices would reflect competing offers from multiple FFLs near you zip code.
 
G&R Tactical has the sport for $550. With Colt 6920 selling for $850, there's no way I'd buy the S&W. JMHO.
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This. I've seen Colt 6720s for $799 locally. Beats the heck out of a S&W. That's going to hurt some feelings here, but it's the truth.
 
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This. I've seen Colt 6720s for $799 locally. Beats the heck out of a S&W. That's going to hurt some feelings here, but it's the truth.
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I have $505 total in my second S&W. If sales tax there is like it is here that Colt 6720 would be $855. I acknowledge that the basic S&W Sport 15 has no dust cover or forward assist. For me I have doubts I will miss either one . I previously had AR rifles that had both and never used them. The S&W Sport 15 has the heavier bbl. w/ 1/9 twist which I prefer over the 6720's lighter weight bbl. w/ 1/7 .
I also acknowledge that since the 6720 says " Colt " the resale value on it would be higher if a person chose to sell it.

No hurt feelings here whatsoever but I'm curious as to why specifically the Colt 6720 " beats the heck out of a S&W " when the Colt is $350 higher ( 70 % higher ) ?
 
I have the same question that geo57 has, basically. If the OP can tell the neighbor the S&W Sport costs $550, and a Colt 6920 costs $850, he should spend the extra $300 (54.5% more than the S&W) because: . . . . . . Why?

No dust cover and Fwd Asst are important for some, and those are objective, factual differences.

Why else should he buy the Colt? Is there a proven difference in quality, accuracy, resale, or something else? Data to back that up?

My Sport has been consistently sub 1 MOA with handloads, and and although I only have about 1000 rounds through it so far, I have had NO issues of any kind (no FT Fire, FT Feed, FTE, etc.) using a very wide variety of factory and handloaded ammo. Fit and finish are great.

I have a little experience with the Colt and liked it. But I love the Sport too. Anyone out there with more experience with both?

THANKS

P51D
 
I have the same question that geo57 has, basically. If the OP can tell the neighbor the S&W Sport costs $550, and a Colt 6920 costs $850, he should spend the extra $300 (54.5% more than the S&W) because: . . . . . . Why?
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There are a few reason, but nothing is black and white. The most valid reason would be if the OP's neighbor wants to shoot well over 10k rounds over the life of the rifle. It is highly likely (but not 100%) that the Colts BCG will last longer before breaking. These days though, it is only about $90 for a high quality replacement (compared to the $300 or so price difference of the overall gun). The same can be said for the barrel. As someone who shoots thousands a year, those are the valid reasons and will pay off over the life of the gun.

There are also a bunch of less valid reasons, like the TDP, invoking the "gold standard" manta, talking about war zones, etc. The reason I saw those reason are not as valid is because they don't translate over into real world shooting. You won't see skilled shooters out there who actually shoot all that different between the two rifles. Or in other words, in the hands of a good shooter, they are going to shoot roughly the same with both rifles, within the limitations of what both rifles were designed to do. Resale is another (mostly) bogus reason to buy a Colt. Ask all those people who bought Colts back when they were $1200+, and see if they are still holding their value when a new one can be bought for $800.
 
NWcityguy2 - That was an informative reply, and well-thought-out! Thanks!

I'd love to see data on the life of the Colt and S&W BCG's and barrels, but I'm guessing a well-designed and statistically valid comparison (large enough number of rifles and rounds) would be hard to come by.

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Why else should he buy the Colt? Is there a proven difference in quality, accuracy, resale, or something else? Data to back that up?
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Like I said. Feelings are being hurt.

Basically yes to all these things (except maybe accuracy - the M&P-15s are quite good in this respect). In addition, the Colts get a level of QC that the S&W rifles simply don't get. It's all about the details. Data is quite plentiful on the subject, and you are welcome to research if you so desire.
 
This falls more into ego territory, with more cost effective rifles showing equal performance. Practical shooting doesn't show a difference between the two. It's not about feelings.
 
I love shooting my Sport, i love shooting my three Colt's, i love shooting my ninteen other AR's of various manufacture. I love shooting AR's period! Buy whichever you like and enjoy. Also invest in ammo while it is available and relatively cheap. The most verbal individuals will be the ones who are not preparing themselves now when the next shortage occurs later.
 
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