New 22 rifle

[SlowFuse]

I have decided on the Ruger. Put a deposit on it when I was buying a sparrow today at the local fun shop. Thank you all for the input. Although some strayed a little I appreciate the input. Everyone obviously has different views, depends on what you want to do with it. I'm definitely an average Joe here and just want something to plink with.

 

[Olympus]

I have decided on the Ruger. Put a deposit on it when I was buying a sparrow today at the local fun shop. Thank you all for the input. Although some strayed a little I appreciate the input. Everyone obviously has different views, depends on what you want to do with it. I'm definitely an average Joe here and just want something to plink with.

Congrats on the rifle purchase. I think you made a good choice with the Ruger. You'll have a highly accurate rifle that accepts the wonderful rotary mag, the same one that the 10/22 uses. So you'll have 10 rounds on tap with the ability to use the extended 25 round mags for fun shooting. It will be light and easy to carry, which will go great when you add that suppressor to the end. I almost bought a Sparrow, but I opted for the Tac Sol Axiom instead because it was cheaper.

When you get time, go over to Rimfire Central and take a look at the American Rimfire trigger mod. It's incredibly easy and all you do is just remove one spring and you get a crisp trigger that is right at 1lb, maybe even less. The great thing is that you keep that spring you removed somewhere safe and when you're ready for a factory trigger again, you just put it back in. No cutting coils, no altering the trigger mechanism, just removing one simple spring. I did it on my American 22 Mag and it's awesome! It's a better trigger than the CZs I have with the Yo Dave trigger kit and the Savages that I've HAD with the Apachee trigger kit.

 

[d2wing]

If you look at competition ties where sporter .22's are used, and owners reports on Rimfire forums you will find that CZ's dominate. I have won competitions against all comers with a CZ American. Savages are less accurate in competition period and also have issues with stocks and magazines.
I also have a Ruger American that is very accurate and operates smoothly and uses the same nice rotary magazines as the 10/22. Although I have not personally tested a Ruger American against a Savage it has been done on another forum. I would take the Ruger over the Savage. But I would not consider either as accurate as a CZ. Neither would any serious competition shooter that I know of.

 

[d2wing]

I posted before I saw your post that you bought a rifle. I think you made a great choice. It is a rifle you can shoot with no issues out of the box and very good customer service.

 

[CraigC]

Neither would any serious competition shooter that I know of.

I imagine serious competition shooters are using Anschutz.

I didn't think we were discussing competition rifles.

The Savage synthetic stock is crap, this much is a given. However, many of them come with laminates and if not, they are readily available and affordable.

It's a funny thing, I've been on RFC for 14yrs, shooting Savage 93/MKII rifles for 10yrs and never heard of or experienced these issues.My 93 shoots half MOA and my first MkII shoots 3/4MOA at 100yds, or slightly better than my CZ. While CZ fans harp on potential (and apparently rare) magazine issues, they never seem to bring up the issues with their pet rifles, which are 100% present on ALL CZ rimfires.

1. Backwards safety.

2. Bolt/scope clearance issues. I have a Leupold 1-4x on my 452 in medium rings and the bolt contacts the eye piece.

3. The odd dovetail size. Not many options here. Whereas the Savage and Ruger rifles are drilled & tapped for whatever style scope base you wish to use.

 

[Olympus]

I imagine serious competition shooters are using Anschutz.

I didn't think we were discussing competition rifles.

The Savage synthetic stock is crap, this much is a given. However, many of them come with laminates and if not, they are readily available and affordable.

It's a funny thing, I've been on RFC for 14yrs, shooting Savage 93/MKII rifles for 10yrs and never heard of or experienced these issues.My 93 shoots half MOA and my first MkII shoots 3/4MOA at 100yds, or slightly better than my CZ. While CZ fans harp on potential (and apparently rare) magazine issues, they never seem to bring up the issues with their pet rifles, which are 100% present on ALL CZ rimfires.

1. Backwards safety.

2. Bolt/scope clearance issues. I have a Leupold 1-4x on my 452 in medium rings and the bolt contacts the eye piece.

3. The odd dovetail size. Not many options here. Whereas the Savage and Ruger rifles are drilled & tapped for whatever style scope base you wish to use.

You do know that there are ALL kinds of competitions and classes, both formal and informal. I know a lot of serious shooters who shoot CZ rifles as well as Anschutz, it just depends on the class they are shooting. So your first statement makes me question whether you really know what you're talking about. Anschutz is certainly not the only name in competition shooting. There are various classes of competitions that Anschutz may not fit in. So are you saying the people that shoot in those classes aren't "serious competition shooters"?

As for your numbered points, I think we've pretty much debunked the backwards safety. You like to call it an "issue" when in reality, it's actually a preference. There's certainly nothing wrong with the safety and numerous other guns, past and present, that have used a safety that travels in the opposite direction of the "norm". Bolt/scope clearance issues? I've mounted at least 4 different scopes on several 455 rifles and never had that problem. So I"m not really sure that's an "issue" either. Point me to an actual case where there has been problems with the bolt handle having problems clearing the scope. And the odd dovetail size is again, more of a preference than an actual "issue". I've never had a problem mounting any scope I wanted on the rifles I have had.

But here's the best for last. How about instead of arguing with every single person that talks about CZ, you notice what the OP said and what decision he made and maybe give him a congrats or something so stop beating the, obviously dead, horse. The OP has made a decision and bought a rifle already.

 

[CraigC]

Yes, there are all kinds of competition. Since seriousness is really a matter of intent, one can be "serious" and shoot a Cricket. However, if one is serious about winning, they'll probably shoot something better. The fact that someone 'may' be a "serious competition shooter", whatever that means, and uses a CZ is really irrelevant. What is relevant is what the rifles can do and as far as I can tell, from both personal experience and 14yrs on RFC, it's a wash. Of course, I'm not a dealer but I do actually SHOOT all the guns that come into my possession. At present, that number in terms of rimfires numbers 43. I also own and enjoy all the rifles mentioned in this thread, including multiples of the Savage and Ruger versions.

Debunked the safety issue??? It is not a preference, it's an issue for those not blinded by brand loyalty. FACT is, the CZ safety works in the opposite direction of any other rimfire rifle on the market. It is 100% counter-intuitive. Sure, that makes it a training issue but it's still irritating for the rest of us. Especially those of us who may use a rimfire as an understudy to a centerfire. Numerous other guns? You mean the 5yrs Winchester did it before "fixing" them 75 friggin' years ago?

I just told you that I have scope clearance issues myself. A little 1-4x that's not cleared with medium rings. I'm not the only one, been there, done that. Far as I can remember, there's only one or two types of rings that even work. Seems that mine are Leupold rimfire rings. A good bit of research was done before a purchase could be made. Ruger and Savage make it easy. Seems odd that it's perfectly acceptable to critique the Savage stock and alleged magazine issues but the CZ issues, which are present on 100% of their guns, are waxed over as "preference". Please, don't insult my intelligence. In fact, I didn't even bring them up until pushed.

I'm not arguing with every single person talking about CZ's. As I said, I own two and love t hem. I'm arguing with those who act as if anything else is a 3rd rate POS when I know it to be pure nonsense. And for the record, I was totally done with this thread until post #53.

 

[Olympus]

And for the record, I was totally done with this thread until post #53.

You're ridiculous dude. You just couldn't stand it and had to try to argue with someone else who mentioned a CZ. Let's face it, you're more interested in arguing with people than actually helping the OP. Adios buddy, find yourself a fence post to argue with.

 

[d2wing]

Craig you should know better. If you knew what you said you know you would know I am right. I assume you are just posting to be obnoxious. You are doing a good job.

 

[CraigC]

You're ridiculous dude. You just couldn't stand it and had to try to argue with someone else who mentioned a CZ. Let's face it, you're more interested in arguing with people than actually helping the OP. Adios buddy, find yourself a fence post to argue with.

I assume you are just posting to be obnoxious.

We getting all personal now?

No, I'm more interested in an objective discussion and helping him make the best decision for his needs. I've said from the beginning, I own all three and all three are good choices. All three have pluses and minuses. All three are different and 'may' serve different purposes. You guys are just blindly pushing your pet rifle, irrespective of the OP.

 

[d2wing]

I don't believe that either. RFC has several articles and posts such as ones that after spending money on upgrades Savage owners gave up and switched to CZ. There are also competition results posted and links to various competition sites that state equipment by shooters and results. Also there are forum for specific competition where CZ's are the first choice of many shooters. When Savages are used they tend to be toward the bottom. Like I said. If you were as informed as you claimed you would know that. So you are dishonest or just wrong. Either way you have no credibility.

 

[Walkalong]

Closed at the OP's request.