New Beretta Rifle

[Mike128]

The ergonomics look horrible. The controls look way to far forward with to much heel drop to control recoil. Plus the R1 is not known for it's accuracy but good enough. Haven't heard much on the reliablity aspect.

They need to make it a 308 with a 20 inch barrel that is able to use cheap existing magazines. Straighten the comb up some and it would be interesting as a main battle rifle. Especially if it is as reliable as the shotgun.

And it is UGLY.

 

[Boats]

IF, (big if with Beretta's vaporware track record), I can eventally hold one that looks like the non-pistol grip version, can turn it and read 7.62x51mm NATO, and it takes FAL metric mags, I am buying it cash on the barrelhead since I have really long fingers.

 

[Correia]

Boats, my trigger finger is 4 1/2 inches long from the tip to the knuckle, I use my finger to operate an AK safety, and I didn't even come close on the Beretta. So unless you palm basketballs in the NBA, I'm doubtful you are going to be dropping that mag with your trigger finger.

 

[Boats]

I am 6'8" and can palm basketballs effortlessly. Besides, I think that perhaps the preproduction rifle we've been seeing will be "massaged" before the final one is released.

Chances are there will never be a .308 one, so if I get a 5.56, it'll still be an AR buy for me.

 

[pete f]

To think this THING came from the same country as Ferrari and Ducatti.

I saw the first picture and I would have sworn it was some kid's Photoshop project, its Ghastly.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

I think the stock is the only problem that I have with it. If they just put the CX4 Storm's stock on the civilian version, I think it would make a nice little carbine.

The short barrel with the stock collapsed looks allright. IMHO

Edit: more observations: Correia is right, current mag release will need to be operated with the off hand. If they moved the pistol grip and FCG forward to meet the mag well and then use an AR style or similar mag release it would make it look better and be easier to use.

 

[Karbon]

One hell of an odd gun.

Super, more space guns...

 

[Dacoda]

This thing is no more uglier than a SoCom II, and everyone and their mom wants one of those things.

I think the thing looks rather appealing.

It looks alot like my Hi-Point now that I have that advanced technologies stock on it. well, similar anyway, not identicle. Thumb-hole instead of pistol grip. and the stock is fixed, not telescopic.

 

[Correia]

Holy hell, Boats, I retract what I said. This is the gun for you!

 

[Boats]

Well, Mr. Correia, if the version I am interested in ever comes to pass, I know where to order one for an interstate transfer.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

I kinda like it. But then, I buy most anything that I've seen an Italian woman holding in a display booth.

As a main battle rifle, it seems useable. However, if it accepts AR mags, shoots 223, and is another semi-auto, why not just buy an AR? How is this one better than an AR?

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Tough to beat an AR, at least in the climates in which I shoot (mostly northern Minnesota). Those things are addicting. I rarely shoot any of my other guns these days.

 

[chevrofreak]

Ugly as heck, but I'm glad to see all these AR alternatives coming around for those of us that hate AR15's.

 

[gopguy]

And I thought they had taken a step away from beauty when they stopped making the BM59 and made the AR70........To each his own though. As long as it works, beauty is as beauty does.

 

[The_Future]

Definitly doesn't have look of an AR but then I like it, nice and curvy. With the sporter stock made me think of a M1 carbine.

 

[killzone]

Why 223?

I hate the .223. Don't they make it in .308? Then I would consider it.

 

[freebird]

Odd design. But I would take it!!! Beretta has some weird designs?????

 

[Leonardo]

I don't think it looks too bad.

 

[JoshM]

Package Deals ?

Seems nearly all the major manufacturers have recently introduced an assault/patrol rifle which feeds off standard AR magazines. Examples include -

SIG 556;
Smith & Wesson MP15 (AR clone);
and, now the new Beretta.

I'm guessing nobody wants to miss out on the option of providing a special deal-sole supplier option to an agency.

Surprised to see that Glock still does not have a 5.56 AR in their line up.

What's next - a Remington LE AR, a Ruger Mini 14 (with AR magazine compatibility), or maybe a Kimber Pro Defense AR (built off a rebadged Daewoo)

 

[nipprdog]

What's next - a Remington LE AR

they already make it, sort of......

 

[Richard.Howe]

Abomination

 

[Kenshin]

This gun sort of looks like another rifle I've seen before....weird.

 

[Kenshin]

Anything new on this?

 

[Kenshin]

Bump. Got nothing off calguns, anybody here know anything new?

 

[Nightcrawler]

It uses an AR style mag release, however even with my gorilla fingers I couldn't reach the mag release when using the pistol grip.

You're not meant to use your trigger finger, I don't think. You use your thumb as you grasp the magazine and pull it out. Note that there's a button on either side for this purpose.

Gasp! Horror! I know, a manual of arms different than an AR-15. ( ) But...thumb-release-pull is how you change a magazine on a FAL, an M14, an AK, a G36, HK91, and innumerable other rifles. It's also how a lefty changes a mag on an M16. So the position of the magazine release, for me at least, wouldn't be a deal-breaker.

Now the collasping stock doesn't look too well thought out. However, since other stock options are available, I don't see it as an issue. Then again, I don't have the fascination with adjustable LOP stocks that everyone seems to have these days. (I know, I know, what if you're wearing armor? How often do most of us wear armor, really? Besides, I much prefer a short fixed stock for this purpose. Then again, I'm not big on folders either.)

I don't get it, I really don't. FAL guys and M1A guys debate endlessly over who has the better rifle. But when JLD Enterprises came out with their G3 clone, you didn't see a lot of "BAH! BAH I say! Why should anyone buy this when the FAL/M1A is available! It's preposterous! A conspiracy of Freemasons!"

But whenever a new .223 rifle comes out, the AR guys come out of the woodwork about how THEY'LL never buy one unless it's three hundred dollars. Oh, they'll happily pay $850 for an AR clone that the purported manufacturer didn't even make (merely assembled and slapped their rollstamp on there), but everything else needs to be sub $600 or it's worthless.

I, for one, am happy just to see some variety. I hope the Beretta design is reliable and does well. Will I buy one? No. But, for some of us, most notably those in California, this rifle with the "standard" stock must certainly seem promising...

Beretta gets a pat on the back for at least trying to make something different. Yeah, it's basically a mutated Benelli design, but who cares? Would you be happier if they were buying parts from LAR and Stag Arms, putting their rollstamp on there, and claiming to produce yet another AR-15 clone?