New bullet: "hypercav"

[They1]

Hi all!
This is my first post on this forum, so please forgive, but I'm not sure where to post this;

It's my latest invention, a new design of Hollow Point ammunition.

Just thought I'd share.

We just launched a website: www.hypercavbullets.com

Mind you, it's still a work in progress.

It's a pleasure to be here!

 

[edSky]

Cool. I wouldn't want to shoot myself in the leg with one of those! Pretty neat idea, good luck with it.

 

[They1]

thanks edsky, i appreciate that.

There's been a lot of work getting the project to this stage.

In fact, we just did some gel shots yesterday. Penetration was about 11", opened just after contact!

Test rounds were .38+P.

We're processing the photos and data, and will post it in the next few days.

Seeing is believing...

 

[flrfh213]

i would be interested in some vid of ammo in action

 

[zombienerd]

Looks promising. I'd be more than glad to shoot a few boxes into various items and see how they react

I signed up.

 

[rbernie]

Have you subjected these bullets to any tests from the FBI ammunition test protocol?

 

[mokin]

Looks good. Some pictures of ballistic gelatin tests and recovered bullets would speak volumes. Good luck!

 

[They1]

FBI protocol testing will begin in a few days. We are fortunate to have a PhD on the task. He's at University of Missouri.

 

[mljdeckard]

I don't suppose you will resent my natural skepticism,

I have been in here (most recently) challenging the Hornady HST claim that A: hollow-points getting clogged and failing to expand is a wide-spread problem, and B: That their new Critical Defense ammo expands any more reliably than any other premium HP ammo. (Particularly the 230 gr Federal HST.)

Bottom line, I will want to see long-term field results before I plan on changing. I also agree that pistol rounds are entirely inadequate in stopping results. I regard expanding bullets as being good to have, but not something to take for granted that they will magically end the fight quickly. But I don't see anything here that out-smarts anything else the other bullet designers are making.

 

[eddism]

I have a friend that put mercury into a 380 hollow-point and capped it with epoxy. It was a success in his mind after watching the 5gal bucket of water explode. I figure the mercury caused the bullet to frag something aweful.

 

[They1]

I have no problem with anyone being skeptical...I am. That's my responsibility with any new product I develop.

Testing will continue, but to date, the results have been promising.

This may aid in any analysis; original chatter on my local forum:

http://www.missouricarry.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2990

 

[barnetmill]

I have a friend that put mercury into a 380 hollow-point and capped it with epoxy. It was a success in his mind after watching the 5gal bucket of water explode. I figure the mercury caused the bullet to frag something aweful

If the bullet does not kill, perhaps the mercury will poison the badguy.

 

[belus]

Mathcad?

 

[They1]

No, Autocad Inventor and Solidworks on my end.

NP will be drawing on the resources of the University. This guy is a real genius.

 

[NMGonzo]

Pics on ballistic gel would be GREAT!!!

VERY interested!!!!

 

[InkEd]

Expansion has been addressed in several ways by many people.

Hornady critical defense uses ftx bullets to prevent clog and give even expansion.

Remington golden sabers have those little discs to help open the petals.

Buffalo bore hot loads everything to get high velocity.

Corbon dpx is widemouth thin wall solid copper bullet.

More than one way to skin a cat.

I wonder if the amount of air pushed through the hp/funnel is enough to make a difference. Also the website should show some actual side by side recovered ammo from gel or animals. Very few people will understand all the theoritical statements and equations and even fewer will care. If you want testimonials then include some hunters and leo's as well.

Basically lay-man's terms and actual proof are needed. If you want to sell anything you need to know who your selling it and what appears to them.

Good luck. If you want to do some giveaways great send out some boxes and let word of mouth takeover. Send some to the magazine, le, box o' truth guy, and some forums members.

 

[They1]

Noted...

 

[c919]

That sounds really interesting. I'm very interested in the technology involved. You should post some of your results here on THR. We are a bunch of good folks here who love us some ballistics testing knowledge. Your concept is quite interesting and I'd love to see how it holds up (and just by looking at it, with limited knowledge mind you, it looks like a great idea in action).

BTW: I'm terribly sorry to hear about your injury. It's intriguing to hear about someone who has been shot designing a bullet. I wish you the best of luck in your your pursuits.

 

[strambo]

Very interesting indeed. If the expansion can be proven more reliable than current premium designs, penetration kept to 12" plus in gel and if costs/availability are comparable to current premium ammo, you would have a winner.

Since the mechanism of wounding in handgun rds is basically just a function of permanent cavity (as the velocity is too low for the temp. cavity to rupture vessels/damage organs in non-magnum rds), the early expansion is a great benefit, esp. if pen. depth is maintained.

 

[Dannix]

You could perhaps use these guys as a model as far as what multimedia would be nice to see:
http://www.ebr-inc.net/

Very interested on how things develop!

 

[C-grunt]

Ok just looked at your web site there. Maybe I missed it or didnt understand but what, in laymans terms, makes your HP design open faster/more reliably than the others?

I always understood that the pressure generated in the cavity by the liquid/material from the target causes the HP to expand. Wouldnt these channels reduce that pressure?

 

[Uncle Mike]

C-grunt...it is not pressurization that causes a hollow point to deform, but rather the bullets plastic deformation as a result of medium flowing past it causing the bullet material to upset once the bullet material reaches a point
(shear) where it can no stay together.


They1...you got how much(11") of deformed penetration out of a 38spl.+p?

 

[Diggers]

From the very quick read of their site I believe they are saying the air trapped in the hollow point prevents it from expanding right away. So they made little channels in the sides of the bullet to vent the air so the bullet will expand more quickly.

I don't know....but my gut reaction is that the trapped air in a hollow point is really not a significant enough factor to make a difference. Like they have said, air compresses, so it’s not going to keep anything out of the hollow point.
Also…honestly all those mathematical equations on the site set off my gimmick alarms. They know 99+ percent of us are going to have no idea what they mean. So I can’t help but think the equations are there more as a prop then to really explain anything. (I hope they actually add up for the less than 1 percent of us that can do that level of math. )

A few questions/ observations:

Wouldn’t making hollow channels at the base of the HP cavity weaken the bullet and make it expand more quickly and easily, air or no air?

Haven't ammo makers invested lots of money in creating a HP bullet that has "controlled expansion"? Meaning they make it so it does not open up right on contact so it gets some penetration before opening.

How hot is this ammo that a bullet can expand at contact and still penetrate deeply?

Yes I am skeptical.

 

[woodsoup]

Have you subjected these bullets to any tests from the FBI ammunition test protocol?

That makes a ME TOO.
My Inventor won't do those calculations How do you get yours to?

 

[HydrostatiK]

Good luck on the product! If all goes well in your testing, you might gain a lot of good product exposure seeing if the Box O Truth folks test it.