NEW FN Hi Powers!!!

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NIGHTLORD40K said:
AFAIK, SA will neither confirm or deny and no mainstream "gun journo" is willing to press them on the question for fear of losing freebies and access.

However, unless the frames are made in the PRC, there is little chance of actual slave labor being involved.
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Agreed. Just wondering if it was ever figured out where they are made.
 
CNobbe said:
SA-35s are selling for nearly the same price right now.
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Only because they are not readily available at the moment. I was quoting the SMRP. I'm guessing if the new FN Hi-Power is difficult to find the price for them will be well over the suggested Retail too until the available is normalized.
 
tarosean said:
Slave labor vs. Americans put to work.. We wonder why all of our jobs have vanished.. Walmart mentality abounds
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Well, I'm not sure that is correct. I did a quick check last week and found that both current Hi-Power handguns are made right here in the good ol USA. Springfield Armory clearly states it's new SA-35 ie proudly made in the USA. (Geneseo, Illinois) From what I know only the XD series handguns are made in Croatia. Some others are made in Brazil and assembled in Illinois.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/...ld-armory-announces-the-release-of-the-sa-35/
I was mistaken in my post and quoted a price of $650 but it is really $699, sorry.

While the original FN P-35 was made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal the new one is made in the USA as is the SA-35. (Columbia, South Carolina)

This was just a quick check on the NET. The new FN has been released by FN America.
 
I suppose one way to look at it in a positive light would be this: a year ago, there were no new 'Hi/High Powers' available at all. Now, you can get a 'traditional' one from SA, or a modernized one from FN. Rather than simply compete with each other, looked at that way they compliment each other, and give more choices, right?

That said, I *really* wish SA had included the FPS safety in their version; I'd be salivating if they had.

Larry
 
Guess I'm the only one here who thinks that Springfield Armory's new version still looks much, much better than the new FN model (peeyew, fugly grip panels, frontstrap looks cheaper than the Taurus 1911's frontstraps, matte finish looks applied with a crayon, strangely blocky, fat grip).

And apparently some are still misinformed about that debacle back five years ago or so where the rogue exec implied the company was onboard with pending Illinois legislation. Even though the guy got $h*tcanned by the company, the rest of the management fell on their collective swords and have been trying to make up for it ever since. Some of y'all need to keep up. Wonder why everyone loves S&W now? The shenanigans that company engaged in -- willingly -- back in the 90s still should not be forgiven.
 
Old Dog said:
And apparently some are still misinformed about that debacle back five years ago or so where the rogue exec implied the company was onboard with pending Illinois legislation. Even though the guy got $h*tcanned by the company, the rest of the management fell on their collective swords and have been trying to make up for it ever since. Some of y'all need to keep up. Wonder why everyone loves S&W now? The shenanigans that company engaged in -- willingly -- back in the 90s still should not be forgiven.
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I'm not misinformed. I just choose to give put a company that allows a "rogue exec" (convenient scapegoat term by the way) to undermine other 2A business for company/personal gains a time out until the company comes to terms and gets on the right side again, which it seems they are attempting to do. I never have said I would never again purchase a Springfield Armory firearm, but the taste of disloyalty is still prevalent in my mouth.

As I said in a previous post, I buy Ruger and S&W products now despite their horrific anti-2A decisions in the distant past. I understand that execs come and go and companies change, but a company should feel some heat and lack of sales for a period of time that is for sure.

@Old Dog but to get back onto point of this topic, I would agree with you the SA HiPower looks better to my eyes than the FN after looking the FN over. I was really excited yesterday when @JCooperfan1911 posted about the FN, was the first I heard, but the more and more I find out about it my excitement cools off.
 
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The Glockodile said:
Like the rest of America’s already done!

Student loans...

Mortgages...

Car payments...

...and now, a new pistol!
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my pawn shop and local gun shop don’t charge interest. Pretty good folks out there
DT Guy said:
I suppose one way to look at it in a positive light would be this: a year ago, there were no new 'Hi/High Powers' available at all. Now, you can get a 'traditional' one from SA, or a modernized one from FN. Rather than simply compete with each other, looked at that way they compliment each other, and give more choices, right?

That said, I *really* wish SA had included the FPS safety in their version; I'd be salivating if they had.

Larry
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500% agree! this time last year, I bought a CZ P07 for $650 - $720 out the door. That’s how I was feeling last year.

now it’s back to $475

Lots of NEW guns coming out folks!!!
 
ArchAngelCD said:
Well, I'm not sure that is correct. I did a quick check last week and found that both current Hi-Power handguns are made right here in the good ol USA. Springfield Armory clearly states it's new SA-35 ie proudly made in the USA. (Geneseo, Illinois) From what I know only the XD series handguns are made in Croatia. Some others are made in Brazil and assembled in Illinois.
https://www.springfield-armory.com/...ld-armory-announces-the-release-of-the-sa-35/
I was mistaken in my post and quoted a price of $650 but it is really $699, sorry.

While the original FN P-35 was made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal the new one is made in the USA as is the SA-35. (Columbia, South Carolina)

This was just a quick check on the NET. The new FN has been released by FN America.
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IMHO they are fudging the made in the USA part. They are assembling enough of it to declare it made in the US but I believe the frame, slides and barrels are not being produced in IL. They might be coming from inside the US but there are a lot of similarities between the SA-35 and the Turkish Tisas. If you look for the info you can find it. The sight cuts are similar. The barrel fit is similar. Both have a laynard lop under the grips. Both have extractor issues. At the price point they are targeting I do not believe that the frame slide and barrel are all USA origin. They will never tell you the truth. SA is a great marketing company that happen to sell guns. They have gotten into trouble in the past mispresenting themselves and their products. I believe that they are adhering to the letter of the law not the spirit. YMMV
 
Spats McGee said:
You're not alone. I'm tickled that we've got new BHP/clones on the market and would like to see prices fall. With that said, I much prefer the aesthetics of the SA-35.
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what’s that other Turkish or eastern european BHP clone that came out 2 years ago? I heard it was really good and only sub $500’s
 
Looks interesting...

My observations (worth exactly what you paid to read them :cool:)
  • MSRP at $1,269 ($1,369 for the stainless) is pretty far out there.
  • I already have 17+1 with my KRD and MecGar +2 bumpers
  • Desert tan looks ugly as sin to my eye.
  • 40 oz is 1/2 pound heavier than my Mk3
  • I already have stainless on my Tisas
  • I've already ditched mag safeties and worked my triggers to 4-6#
  • Rear sights look OK, but I like the appearance of the Tisas rear sight better.
  • Glad to see a front sight dovetail, but the fitment on my Tisas front sight is better as it matches the contour perfectly (sight base is flush with no slot exposed)
  • Hammer bite was never a problem for me, and I already have C&S no bites just to make sure it always stays that way.
  • I personally am not enamored by beaver tails on high powers.... so they got that one right.
  • I'm totally not into the ambi slide release... slingshot is all the ambi I need.
  • I like the profile of the Garthwaite trigger better.
  • Not crazy about the hole in the nose for the FLGR
  • Checkered front and back strap right out of the box is huge.
  • G10 grips are readily available on Amazon for ~$50
  • Safety looks like an improved rear profile on the MK3 safety.
  • I'm not crazy about the MK3 safety.... much prefer the C&S safety.
  • I don't do optics and rails on my love affair guns, so from my perspective, they got that right.
  • If these are being manufactured in South Carolina, the quality will be excellent, as that is probably the most modern, state-of-the-art firearms factory in the world.

So while I'm happy to see FN resurrect the platform, I've already upgraded my MK3 and Tisas to accomplish most of the stated upgrades already.... and for a LOT less $. If I'm going to drop that kind of money on a handgun, it's going to be a Les Barr 1911 in 38 super or a Sig 220 Legion in 10mm.... but that's just me.

FWIW... Hi Power is a registered trademark of Browning and only they can legally use that name. Trademarks are more easily defended than patents, and they are infinitely renewable. Browning had rights to the US market and got a piece of the pie on all FN BHPs sold in the US, as well as the parts and service business. FN always had the EU market and they called the gun a High Power over there. So them using the name FN High Power makes total sense.

But hey... all this makes for interesting reading :D
 
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Old Dog said:
Guess I'm the only one here who thinks that Springfield Armory's new version still looks much, much better than the new FN model (peeyew, fugly grip panels, frontstrap looks cheaper than the Taurus 1911's frontstraps, matte finish looks applied with a crayon, strangely blocky, fat grip).
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You're not alone. I'm right there with you.
 
SSN Vet said:
FWIW... Hi Power is a registered trademark of Browning and only they can legally use that name. Trademarks are more easily defended than patents, and they are infinitely renewable. Browning had rights to the US market and got a piece of the pie on all FN BHPs sold in the US, as well as the parts and service business. FN always had the EU market and they called the gun a High Power over there. So them using the name FN High Power makes total sense.

But hey... all this makes for interesting reading :D
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I have it on good authority:

Browning abandoned the trademark on Hi Power in 2006.

FN filed for a trademark on Hi-Power in 2020 and claimed the term was first used in 1935.

FN filed for a trademark on High Power in 2021.

None of it matters anyway because FN/Herstal owns Browning.
 
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