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The copper anti-seize Glock puts in there is not the greatest IMO
There are several different kinds of copper anti-sieze out there.
I'm guessing that because Glock is in Austria they are probably using the German Henkle, but I could be wrong.
The MSDS for the Henkle LOCTITE C5-A is right here:
http://complyplus.grainger.com/grainger/msds.asp?sheetid=3841897#sec2
Some of the companies that make the stuff (like VersaChem) flat out say that it's not a lubricant. It is more commonly called an anti-seize compound or anti-seize assembly compound - sometimes called anti-seize thread lubricant. It is something that you put on an assembly that enables it to be taken back apart at some future date - hence the name "anti-seize" - as in keeping a bolt from seizing up. But not the same connotation as a lubricant that keeps moving parts from seizing up.
So here's my opinion on the copper anti-seize.
One thing that it does better than almost any other grease its that it doesn't separate, dry out or become tacky.
So we all know that there are people who, when they buy a gun, they don't clean it, they don't lube it, they go straight to the range and start blasting away.
I think Glock puts the copper anti-seize in their Glocks to mitigate against the situation where a Glock sits for a long while - either in transport or at distributors and then in a gun shop etc... and then an owner doesn't clean or lube but just fires it. The anti-seize will provide some lubrication and protection of the metal.
The copper anti-seize is for a particular application: shipping it and trying to prepare for some knucklehead who is going to basically fire it right out of the box.
But I think it's completely useless for an owner to use the stuff. There are lubricants - oil and grease out there that are much better, and if an owner has his Glock in storage for a while he can always just clean and re-lube the pistol before firing. Are there that many situations where someone doesn't ever have an opportunity to do regular maintenance on their pistol - it just sits in storage, but they might need to shoot it at a moments notice?
Well if you really truly have that situation then maybe copper anti-seize is the right lube for that application.
Really though, the stuff is targeted for a particular application - to prevent bolts & fasters from welding with the materials they're holding together and to prevent them from corroding and for enabling bolts / fasteners to be backed out at some future time and to prevent them from seizing up when they're untightened.
I have not been able to find NLGI ratings for most of the copper anti-seize compounds, but at least the Versachem I purchased seemed to be thicker than the Walmart Super Tech Extreme Pressure Multi-Duty Complex Hi-Temp grease - which is NLGI #2
It's gritty compared to other gun greases or even compared to general purpose packing grease.
The copper grease that came on my Glock was fairly thick, mostly came off after the third firing / cleaning. There is some trace of it left - which resembles copper fouling - which jives with what another anti-seize manufacturer says about their product.
I was reading the tech sheet on Jet-Lube's copper anti-seize - and it states:
"will not separate, settle out, harden, or dry out in storage"
^ This IMO may be why Glock ships their pistols with copper anti-seize in them.
Their TDS also states:
Notice that the German Henkle LOCTITE C5-A has ground up quartz crystals in it - used as a thickner.
Quartz crystals in a lube that goes on a big bolt that is going to stay in place and then go a few revolutions when it's untightened - not a big a deal. Quartz crystals between two sliding steel parts in a hand gun? I don't think it's a good idea. But then again - I don't know exactly what goes into the copper lube that Glock uses. Other copper anti-seize manufacturers use lime as a thickner. Some manufactuer's copper anti-seize is basically lithium grease with copper powder in it.
I think there is better grease out there and I would take the goop off immediately and use any gun oil or gun grease there instead.
There are several different kinds of copper anti-sieze out there.
I'm guessing that because Glock is in Austria they are probably using the German Henkle, but I could be wrong.
The MSDS for the Henkle LOCTITE C5-A is right here:
http://complyplus.grainger.com/grainger/msds.asp?sheetid=3841897#sec2
Some of the companies that make the stuff (like VersaChem) flat out say that it's not a lubricant. It is more commonly called an anti-seize compound or anti-seize assembly compound - sometimes called anti-seize thread lubricant. It is something that you put on an assembly that enables it to be taken back apart at some future date - hence the name "anti-seize" - as in keeping a bolt from seizing up. But not the same connotation as a lubricant that keeps moving parts from seizing up.
So here's my opinion on the copper anti-seize.
One thing that it does better than almost any other grease its that it doesn't separate, dry out or become tacky.
So we all know that there are people who, when they buy a gun, they don't clean it, they don't lube it, they go straight to the range and start blasting away.
I think Glock puts the copper anti-seize in their Glocks to mitigate against the situation where a Glock sits for a long while - either in transport or at distributors and then in a gun shop etc... and then an owner doesn't clean or lube but just fires it. The anti-seize will provide some lubrication and protection of the metal.
The copper anti-seize is for a particular application: shipping it and trying to prepare for some knucklehead who is going to basically fire it right out of the box.
But I think it's completely useless for an owner to use the stuff. There are lubricants - oil and grease out there that are much better, and if an owner has his Glock in storage for a while he can always just clean and re-lube the pistol before firing. Are there that many situations where someone doesn't ever have an opportunity to do regular maintenance on their pistol - it just sits in storage, but they might need to shoot it at a moments notice?
Well if you really truly have that situation then maybe copper anti-seize is the right lube for that application.
Really though, the stuff is targeted for a particular application - to prevent bolts & fasters from welding with the materials they're holding together and to prevent them from corroding and for enabling bolts / fasteners to be backed out at some future time and to prevent them from seizing up when they're untightened.
I have not been able to find NLGI ratings for most of the copper anti-seize compounds, but at least the Versachem I purchased seemed to be thicker than the Walmart Super Tech Extreme Pressure Multi-Duty Complex Hi-Temp grease - which is NLGI #2
It's gritty compared to other gun greases or even compared to general purpose packing grease.
The copper grease that came on my Glock was fairly thick, mostly came off after the third firing / cleaning. There is some trace of it left - which resembles copper fouling - which jives with what another anti-seize manufacturer says about their product.
I was reading the tech sheet on Jet-Lube's copper anti-seize - and it states:
"will not separate, settle out, harden, or dry out in storage"
^ This IMO may be why Glock ships their pistols with copper anti-seize in them.
Their TDS also states:
Notice that the German Henkle LOCTITE C5-A has ground up quartz crystals in it - used as a thickner.
Quartz crystals in a lube that goes on a big bolt that is going to stay in place and then go a few revolutions when it's untightened - not a big a deal. Quartz crystals between two sliding steel parts in a hand gun? I don't think it's a good idea. But then again - I don't know exactly what goes into the copper lube that Glock uses. Other copper anti-seize manufacturers use lime as a thickner. Some manufactuer's copper anti-seize is basically lithium grease with copper powder in it.
I think there is better grease out there and I would take the goop off immediately and use any gun oil or gun grease there instead.
C0untZer0 said:
Analogy fail.
Bald tires =/= in spec ammunition. We aren't talking about bum ammo, or a botched reload/handload here. We are talking about in-spec, factory new ammunition that is a little on the weak side. But still in spec.
Bald tires = out of spec.
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