wouldnt a local shop be pissed if I bought it from somewhere else?? will they charge me any fee's?
You can buy online, and after you pay shipping and handling for the owner to send it ($20-30) most places will accept it and do the paperwork so you can have it for $20-30. Lots of times that $60 makes their stuff much more price competative....if they have what you want.
Do these guns come with clips?? accessories? box?
Any new gun is going to come in a box, usually a plastic thing with a spot for a paddlelock, which can work just fine as a gun case. It will also come with at least one magazine, sometimes 2.
A clip is a simple bit of metal for holding cartridges together for faster reloading. A magazine is a clip with a spring to push the bullets up, and a floorplate to control them, all inside a housing. 99% of the time when a person says clip he means magazine.
I guess it doesnt come with any accessories?? I will call them today. BTW, is there a diff in cleaniing kits?? I would like to buy 2 magazines,storage and a cleaning kit. Anything i would need besides ammo?
I as sure that S&W comes with at least one magazine, maybe even 2 mags, a box that will work for light storage(it is not a safe) and transport. for $10-20 you should be able to pick up a pistol cleaning kit, they aren't designated by gun type, but by caliber, they will contain a rod with a couple of tips, usually a slotted one and a pointed one and bronze brush (sometimes you have to buy the brush seperately) some sort of solvent to dissolve gunpowder gunk, and some oil for lube and rust protection, and some cleaning patches...often enough for 2-3 trips to the range, then you can use paper towels ripped up, etc.
outers kit, msrp 8.99
http://www.outers-guncare.com/products/cleaning_kits/cleaning_kits.aspx
So if I go for the P series or 1911 what will be a good caliber to start? would it be stupid for me to buy a 45?? I shot a 45 and felt good, is there a BIG diff in price between the 22 and the 45???
really handgun ammo falls in two catagories, "inexpensive for practice and fun" and then "decent for stopping an aggessor'
In the first catagory, you have 22 LR, and in the second catagory you have everything else. For the price of one box of 50 of anything else, you can get 10 boxes of 50 for 22LR.
22LR is a good starting point, but not a good stopping point if you want to actually be able to defend yourself. Of course, missing with the biggest bullet will do you absolutely no good. That' why starting with a .22 can be good. However, it seems you are handling the other stuff fine, so you will be find starting there, and possibly getting a .22 later when bullets per dollar becomes important.
for 'decent to stop an aggessor' from a handgun, there are hundreds of different choices, but luckly 5 of them are by far the most common. If only these 5 existed, we'd all do just fine. They are, in order of 'power'
.38 special, 9mm, .40S&W, .357 magnum -tied with-.45 ACP
So a .45 is nearly half an inch wide. A .22, on the other hand, is only about 1/5 of an inch wide. A .45 is pretty big. The .22lr is a very small round. A .357 magnum would be somewhere inbetween.
This is good advice, but only about half of the story. See, there is two sides to it. Fast and Fat. Obviously, getting hit by a Ford Explorer going 60 MPH vs getting hit by a Geo Metro going 60 MPH, but what is worse, getting hit by a Ford Explorer at 60MPH, or a Corvette at 150 MPH?
so, while a .357 is smaller than a .45acp, it goes a hell of a lot faster. Enough of a lot faster so some people say it is better. Others disagree. Unfortunately, as shooting people just to test this isn't viable, the debate rages on.
I have to say the revolver was the easiest to aim and was a little more accurate for me. Tomorrow will be fun and interesting. I am going to be reading up on this stuff tonight.
Would I sound like an ass if I told you I dont like the looks of a revolver?
revolvers grow on you. Plus they actually have a lot of advantages.
For starters, revolvers stand up to neglect sitting in coat pockets and sock drawers getting full of lint better than semi-autos. A revolver can be shot multiple times while inside a jacket pocket or pressed right up against something, with a semiauto, the slide will often catch and you will only get one shot off.
In guns of the same quality revolvers are usually about $100 cheaper
A revolver's trigger pull is giong to be the same every time, some semi-autos vary.
A revolver usually has better stock sights, usually adjustable. Combine this with the ability to manually cock the hammer and have a single action shot, revolvers can be easier to shoot accurately at longer distances.
Revolvers are in general more versitile. They can take a wider variety of ammunition, as long as you can fit in in the cylinder it will be fine. Some exotic stuff won't work well in all types of semi-autos, and the only way you can check is by testing out a few hundred rounds.
Another part of versitility is the fact that revolvers can shoot more than one loading. The .357 magum revolver can also fire .38 specials. This means you get low recoil low cost target rounds. And even within the .357 family there is more variety in power levels than pretty much anything else. In the same manner, a .44 magnum can fire .44 specials, and a .454 Casull can fire .45 longcolts. That takes care of
man ammo for the magnum is some big bucks.
If you shot the revolver the best, sounds like you might have a great first gun. I recommend a S&W model 66 (can only get used since S&W stopped making them)or Ruger GP100. Both great guns, with multiple uses, very durable, attractive, and versatile (practice with .38's, carry .357's).
Good advice, however, S&W makes a 686 now, a slightly stronger version of the 66, plus most now hold 7 shots, not 6. Also, Taurus is great lesser known gun maker, an economy gun maker who makes guns very similar to smith and wesson, but less pricy. They also have an almost exact copy of the beretta 92, as well as some stuff similar to other makers, and a few designs all their own. I think they are worth checking out.
I noticed or maybe it is the picture that the model 1911 I like looks like to ahve a longer barrel then the p229?? I guess these guns come in diff lengths which will help when it comes to carryign them etc?? what else does it help> i would think the longer barrel helps with stabability when it comes to firin?
Long barrel makes the bullet a tiny bit more stable, and a very short barrel can be too short to get much push from the burning gunpowder, which means slower less effective bullets, and a big flash of burning gunpower being blown out the the muzzle, but that is really on very short snubnosed revolvers.
The biggest thing barrel length does is allow a human to use the sights bettet, giving better accuracy. Now put two guns in a benchvice and shoot them by tying a string to the trigger...you'll see very little accuracy difference. Put them in the hand of a human with eyes on each side of his nose, and the longer barreled gun will be easier for him to shoot accurately.
Also barrel length helps in controlling recoil, as every bit extra weight tames it some, and longer barrels tame it some, so you win in both directions because extra length also adds weight.
Longer barrels don't make it more difficult to carry except at the extremes, like at 6 inches it can get more difficult, and there are places a 2 inch snubby will fit that other guns don't, but for the most part, 3, 3.5, 4, especially in semiautos, are all about the same for carry in my opinion
SG229 40 cal-- It fired fine and all but didnt like the fit with my hand, wasnt comfy.
sg239, 9mm-- I liked this gun, felt good and I was more accurate with it.
This combined with your earlier comments about the 1911 makes me think you probably have slightly smaller than average hands.
You see, semi-autos fall in roughly two catagories design wise. Single stack and double stack magazine.
Simply put, single stacks have the ammo all in one nice line, where doublestacks have two columbs of it. Hence, doublestacks are usually twice as wide. For something like 9mm, which is .36 in diameter, this means that bullets alone make the magazine be at least .7 inches wide, plus the actual grip of the gun, which is thin enough for most people to get their hand perfectly around, but not everyone. it also means they usually have 15 shots. (two stacks of 7, plus one on top) A .45 is enough wider that fewer people can comfortably fit their hands around a double stack .45 magazine, that's why most are a single stack of 8 rouns of .45 Most people say this is fine, 9mm is enough less powerful that they need all those extra bullets just to keep up with a .45
Anyways, this seems to me your hand size or maybe finger length or whatever may be why two nearly identical guns performed so different for you (the sigs) and why a 1911 seems so nice to you. Unfortunately, besides .45s, and a few like the sig 239 sig225 and the smithnwesson 3900 series, there are few single stack magazines out there. You see, lots of people whose hands really need single stacks see 15 rounds vs 8 rounds and get all excited. They forget that misses don't count, hits count, and they choose accordingly.
I'd suggest trying a few other types of .45s besides 1911s, they should all be slim enough to fit your hand well, and that will tell you if you have a preference just for 1911s, or for single stacks. Then you can test a few single stack 9mms or 40s so you are really comparing apples to apples
See if you can find a sig in .45 (I believe that is a sig 220, but not positive) and see how that compares to your experience with the sig 229 and the sig 239.
Do you understand the mechanical difference between a 1911 design, a single action auto, and most other pistol designs, double action autos?
You seem to like S&W 1911s, is that a brand name thing? have you tried other stuff? the S&W are kinda high on the price charts. check out
http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397866693.html - springfield a bare bones 1911 except for being stainless steel
http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397141523.html -springfield fancier model
http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397061340.html -sprinfieldmidground model, but in 9mm!
http://www.impactguns.com/store/669278320335.html - can't go wrong with a kimber
http://www.impactguns.com/store/669278320519.html - little bit cheaper kimber
http://www.impactguns.com/store/SS-27631.html-taurus lower priced, relatively new maker, but avilable in 40!
http://www.impactguns.com/store/725327601036.html - taurus 45, listing MSRP, expect it to be same price as the taurus above
http://www.impactguns.com/store/798681317394.html - throwing this out there because you handled some sigs already, I guess they are doing 1911s too now!
double action 45s
http://www.impactguns.com/store/S-220R-45-B.html - classic sig 220, absolutely great gun by which many others are judged. there is a slightly shortened 220 called the 245, might be worth checking out. Sig used to make 220s in 9mm, single stack as well as 225 9mm single stacks, and the beloved old 210 in 9mm single stack, but now there is just the 239, wich is a fine fine gun, as you know. If you liked that I suspect you will really like the 220 in 45!
http://www.impactguns.com/store/736676066445.html - rugers are strong pistols
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188082630.html - double actoin from smith and wesson, slightly fancy version, but you can go bare bones too
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188048087.html
again, you aren't stuck with just .45s, smith and wesson is one of the few who makes a good 9mm single stack, the 3900 series is highly regarded
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188045314.html
if your manliness can handle it, this is the one that earned the 3900 series its reputation as great
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188082906.html
http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188038903.html - inexpensive version
I don't see them listed on impactguns, but they do have a .40 version of it which should give you good price standin for it because MSRP is usually a little off.
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=380&category=Pistol
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=374&category=Pistol
http://www.impactguns.com/store/SS-31586.html
