New handgun names sometimes make me wonder…

ECVMatt said:
I am with you Rio....I think the names of models often reflect the over all culture of the time. It seems a lot of today's shooting is focused around survival, CCW, self-defense, and tactical oriented perspectives. From that we get some of these names, with one manufacturer trying to top the other.

I have friends that no longer shoot for fun and everything has to be related to "training". While I agree that training with a gun used for CCW or self-defense should be practiced with often, I think we might have lost sight of the fact the shooting can also be a recreational endeavor. As much as I like to practice with my CCW guns, I love to sit around and plink. Thankfully the majority of my friends feel the same. We have fun just taking turns shooting at targets and giving each other a hard time during the process.

I would also never use a gun with a crazy name for CCW. I think you are spot on with the implications on jury members should you ever have to defend your actions in court.

Lastly, as to a Californiacentric point of view, I remember the days when folks in Colorado, Oregon and Washington used to say "never us" and now look at them. We need to stick together.

In the meantime, I am getting ready to head up to the desert this weekend for a rimfire bonanza! I plan on setting up, relaxing, and spending several hours plinking, just for fun.
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Yeah, the past thirty years have been a complete 180.

Ca was the home to Kings, Bain &Davis, Weatherby, Armalite, AMT, Pachmayr, Great Western, the Davis-Jennings-Jimenez family of Zinc gun makers, on and on and on.

Now it’s home to the worst business climate, highest tax rates, highest home, vehicle and energy prices, worst schools and the largest number of homeless. It’s all championed by an alcoholic, philandering, wanna-be presidential candidate of a governor, the former speaker of the house who lives by her own rules and a U.S. senator whose trips to Washington DC have become flashbacks of Weekend at Bernie’s. All of these “leaders” have yet to see a gun control bill they won’t support. It is truly sad to see how quickly the mighty have fallen. 😞

Wish I could join you out in the desert, sounds like fun! I am taking the son up to NAU in Flagstaff for his first year of college this week. and I think I the wife has spoken for my time the next week or two (Maybe?!?).

Have a good time. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
weekender823 said:
I really have to wonder what made Rossi name their newest pistol offering Brawler. Bringing a single shot pistol to a brawl is so 200 years ago.
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Yeah, if I was going to a brawl, I'd choose my 5-shot Smith Model 69, "Combat Magnum" (that's what it says on the side of the barrel) over a single shot Rossi "Brawler" anytime. :D
 
I won't ever own a Tisas. Night Stalker being the most interesting part of their name. But besides.

I didn't get whatever that Springfield armory thing was with the Grip Zone. Won't get a Hellcat, cause that name doesn't go with something a step bigger than a purse gun. Even the Echelon sounds meh. I do pay attention to names as well as the marketing motif. And they play a role in what I get. Example, I love my Walther guns. But I won't be getting their new flavor of the month that replaced the PPQ: the PDP. "IT IS YOUR DUTY TO BE READY, DUTY DUTY DUTY" Guys I just want a full size gun to take the family out for tacos. Thought about getting their Creed for a cheap duty gun for work. But don't like religious references.
 
I've spent a fair bit of time in the courtroom (mostly testifying on behalf of the state), but I'm at the point now where I don't worry a whole lot about what the lawyers on either side are gonna come up with during a trial and if a handgun was in the equation as far as criminal charges, I'd be surprised if what the handgun was named actually came up (a two-week trial I am familiar with, the only thing mentioned about the name of the handgun used in the shooting was "a Colt revolver." No mention of it being referred to as the deadly Python). Frankly, if the situation gets to a courtroom trial, you're probably not gonna see the cream of the crop as far as attorneys on either side. Side note: if you have the choice, elect a judge over a jury trial.

I don't think you have to have a great lawyer to be able to convince the judge or jury that whatever your chosen handgun is named has zero to do with whether or not you were justified in using deadly force.

Still, I agree that a lot of the names of new firearms just sound stupid. Shield, yeah. Ronin, no. Equalizer, WTFO? Stinger, really? Edge, c'mon. Emissary/Prodigy -- seriously?
 
Remarkably, after 50 posts, this had not been mentioned:
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And the sinister sounding Black Widow
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I may be in the minority here, but if your defensive shooting case is hinging on the name of your gun, or if you’re carrying reloads, or if you have a punisher skull, or if you googled “what will a bullet do to a human” in 2012, then your defensive shooting case is probably not a clear cut defensive shooting and you may have not been exactly doing what you should have. That’s just my 2 cents and personal opinion of course. I’m going to carry my reloads and whatever gun named whatever, if I like it and shoot it well. I trust my decisions in a defensive scenario will outweigh what my gun is named by a company I had nothing to do in deciding.
 
Riomouse911 said:
Spend some time in the chairs to the opposite side of the prosecutor/ plaintiffs attorney, and you will quickly find out opposing counsel has searched high and low to aid their case. It’s easy to get a quick inflammatory statement in, and even if the jury is told to ignore and testimony is stricken, the bell has been rung. If you can get sullied up by even a casual association with a serial killer in a gun case, ouch!

They will use it.

The name “Night Stalker” for a handgun series is dumb no matter where you live. Tisas’ folks should be better than that.

Stay safe.
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Agree. I prefer Tea Sauce Night Awakening. :)
 
You just have to go back in time to the Goetz case to see how appearance issues influence trials. Bernhard Goetz won the SD part of his trial. However, that he carried hollow points and use a 'tactical holster' was significant in his conviction and sentencing in the gun carry charge. Both the jurors and judge said so. In fact, it was considered in the SD decision but luckily for him the defense was more compelling on the threats.

You don't know what does on in every jury room and appearance issues count. Yes, if it influences, you probably have an ambiguous case. That's the point and why you are on trial.
 
Pat Riot: "I agree @Riomouse911 . It’s kind of silly."

My thoughts too and I applaud Rio's suggestion that nonsensical gun naming is a gift to the liberal DA's, Prosecutors and Politicians in their ongoing efforts to disarm, disenfranchise, and ultimately, enslave us.

Well done Rio and thanks for the reminders. Rod
 
MrChicken said:
Mercury made cars named "Cougar" marketed to women. Think about that one. :)
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When the Cougar was going strong, Mercury had a live Cougar on a pedestal at the NY Auto show.

When Mayor Koch, who was a pretty funny guy, was at the show he was asked by a reporter if he was going to pet the Cougar. The mayor replied no, the reporter asked him if he was afraid. The mayor responded, no, he was not afraid, but he was also not a schmuck.

As far as older women and the Cougar brand, I don’t think that connotation was in use at that time.

Going back aways, there were “bicycle” guns for shooting errant dogs who might bother you while riding. That wouldn’t go over too well today. An Iver Johnson ad, touting their new safety, showed a fallen bicyclist with his non IJ gun going off in his pocket when he fell.
 
I was pointing out how silly it is to say product names say who you are if you own them.

Having said that, the last generation of the Mercury Cougar was re-released the same year, 1999, that many sources say was when the term Cougar was made popular for older women that "preyed" on younger men. Coincidence???? ;)
 
I suppose "Dirt Bag Blaster" or "Goblin Incinerator" are too outrageous?
Ayoob makes an issue of anything inflammatory/incriminating, including Skeeter Skelton's "Planet Wrecker Specials" for .38s, or Punisher symbols, or "Smile, wait for flash"showing up in court.
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Will carrying a Bond 'Stubby' impress anyone or hurt you in court? Are you carrying a gun or are you happy to see me. Ma'am - that's my Stubby.
 
MrChicken said:
I was pointing out how silly it is to say product names say who you are if you own them.
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Yep, I've owned several Blackhawks over the years, and I'm not black, nor am I a hawk. As a matter of fact, the "Blackhawk" I have now isn't even black - it's stainless. It's the same color as the new "Frigidaire" refrigerator that is supposed to be delivered to us this afternoon. We're hoping our new refrigerator actually does have "frigid air" inside it because our old one (31 years) sure doesn't anymore. :D
 
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