New Jersey CHL - Please Help

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Hello Everyone,

I have a sister-in-law that lives in New Jersey who is being stalked.

How difficult is it to acquire a CHL from the authorities?

Any suggestions, tips, or other tricks to getting one issued to you?

Are hollowpoint bullets still illegal for civilian use in New Jersey?

Thanks for the help.
 
Your sister will not be able to obtain a license to carry a handgun in New Jersey. Even if her application gets approved by police, it is up to a judge, and my guess is that the judge will tell her to hire private security or take out a restraining order. If she says she cannot afford it, the court will likely tell her to move (or something similar to that). I'm not a lawyer but that's just my opinion based on what I've observed here.

I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is here. If your sister really is being stalked you should advise her to contact an attorney who practices in NJ and discuss her options. The internet really isn't the best place for that.
 
IMO, unless she is wealthy (Donald Trump type wealth) her chances of getting a license in NJ as a private citizen is close to nil.
 
New Jersey and CCW don't belong in the same sentence. It's an oxymoron. All of the processes in NJ relative to firearms are designed to discourage ownership, IMO.

New Jersey is a 'may issue' state, so there is nothing that requires that state to grant a CCW permit. Subsequently, they don't do it very often...hardly ever. Usually those that do get them are lawyers, retired police officers, judges, etc. You can try to hire a lawyer and see if they can help the process along but there is no guarantee and it could be a huge waste of money.

Quite honestly, your sister is better off moving to a more understanding state.
 
Ditto on the other comments. I used to sit through some of those CCW hearings in NJ back when I was a probation officer there. A snowball in Hades has a better chance.
 
Not to add insult to injury, but not only can't a private citizen get a license to carry but, if your sister has never purchased a handgun in NJ before, it'll take her about 90 days just getting her very first permit-to-purchase a handgun approved.

As for hollowpoints, i recently attempted to clarify this myself with a phone call to the NJ State Police...i SWEAR in am NOT making this up:



Me: "Hello officer so and so, i'd like to get the facts regarding hollowpoints. I've always heard they're illegal here in nj."

NJSP: "That is correct sir."

Me: "Hence my confusion officer." (pause) "Why is it then, that i see them for sale, stacked by the hundreds if not by the thousands, in all my local sporting goods stores that stock ammo?" "If it's legal for them to sell them, they must therefore be legal, no?"

NJSP: "Well, you're allowed to own them, you just can't have them in your gun or use them."

And that ladies and gentlemen takes the award for the goofiest thing i have ever heard from law enforcement, but this IS apparently the LAW here in NJ. I can't wait to get the hell out of here and back to Pa. one day!
 
That is what I figured.

This is about what I expected to hear, but you never know for sure until you ask.

That hollowpoint law is hilarious.

I wonder if Federal's Expanding FMJ ammunition would be considered a FMJ in spite of the fact it expands.

Doesn't CORBON sell a "New Jersey friendly" line of self defense ammunition that starts as a hollowpoint with a nose cap or something like that?
 
90 days is FAST to get a FID and pistol purchase permit. That can take up to a year or more, in some towns.

A carry permit probably won't be issued.

The HP law is basically an enhanced sentencing law.

The substance of the thing is that you may have HP under the very few conditions in which it is lawful to have a gun in the first place: at home, with a FID @ the range, gunstore, gunsmith, hunting, fishing (with appropriate hunting/fishing licenses, in appropriate hunting/fishing areas, at appropriate hunting/fishing times) or unloaded, cased, and locked in your trunk directly to or from one of these authorized activities. (Don't stop for coffee or to pick up your kids from the playground on the way)
 
NJ Hollowpoint Law

Whiskey! Tango! Foxtrot! That makes no friggin amount of sense...you can own them, you just can'use them. OMG I'm so glad I moved out of that hell hole.

I mean, the laws were (are) so bad that I stopped when trying to apply for my FID. They friggin want 2 or 3 references. Yeah, 90 percent of the people I know are anti, they're really going to give me a reference for a firearms purchase. Ridiculous. God Bless Texas!
 
Anyone that is not a celebrity, or corrupt politician will never get a permit here in Jersey.

That said, you can get a FID card and pistol PURCHASE Permit for keeping a pistol in the home, or traveling to a range.

Hollow points are perfectly legal to buy or possess at the range, or in your home. You just can't have them in a weapon, out on the street. When you are traveling all ammo must be locked seperate from firearms.

If you don't keep them seperate, and if the Ammo is HP, and you get caught? Tthat's two felony charges.
 
yea, lived in NJ for 2 years, NYC for 3.
what dumps they are!

God Bless Florida!

I'm really sorry for the lady feeling threatened. That's just wrong!
 
I wonder if there are any case studies relative to hollowpoints being used in a home defense situation in New Jersey? In the 10 years that I lived there, I honestly can't say I remember hearing about ANY home defense situations. Guns being verbotten and all...they just like to tuck tail and run up there.
 
Big Cal...

While guns aren't exactly verboten, the powers-that-be just go out of their way to treat you like a potential criminal when you apply for a permit. Some of the local retailers pull the same type of thing, acting as if you're some kind of master-forger when you bring in all the appropriate paperwork to make a purchase too.
I can almost understand why the gangbangers in Newark, Camden and so on prefer to get their guns out on the street corners, because unlike us law-abiding types that will take the abuse, they won't put up with being treated like criminals until they are!
 
Possible way to get a license

According to a friend of mine who is a gun rights activist, licenses are available provided that you make a political campaign contribution of about $30K to either the Democratic party, or to a judge. I'm not sure exactly who you approach to make the "donation".
 
I've heard that as well, have no evidence one way or the other, though I understood the going rate was 5-10k, not 30k.

Considering they're only good for a year, I'd call that the worst value ever.

Rent in a free state plus moving expenses is cheaper.
 
I'm Green

I guess I am just green about such things as I have lived in Texas for the past 33 years.
 
Got it reversed!

I got it backwards.

Her regional office is in New Jersey, but she mostly works from her home in a small town in New York state.

That makes this an entirely different story.
 
I lived in North Jersey for 22 years, good luck getting a CCW:banghead:

Whats even funnier, if you do apply, you will be turned down, then if you try to get a purchase permit ( yes you need to obtain a permit to purchase a gun first) it asks you if you ever applied and got turned down, if you answer yes, no permit.
 
http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:

1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;
2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;
3.A person going directly to a target range, and;
4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.

If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.

These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.
 
geekWitha.45 has it right - I've lived here for 18 years now, and YES, you CAN purchase and use hollowpoint ammo 'for sporting purposes only' - mere posession is not a crime.

And the LAST person I would ask about what a law is about would be a cop - local or state.

Getting a Permit to Purchase is anywhere between 3 - 6 months on average.

I have a NJ CHL here, but only because I work for an armored car company (at least 'til the end of the month - that's when they go out of business and I'm out of a job...)
 
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