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Does anybody have a link to a list of New Jersey approved handguns? I have been searching this site & google for the last hour with no results.
Here's the deal my wife's aunt is from NewJersey and complained that all of the .45's that she has shot have had too large of grip. I then hand her my Kimber Compact :evil: at this point holy light shines & choir of John Moses sings and she gets a mile wide grin on her face and a "I've never handled one of those before" response. So I am looking for the NewJersey DOJ approved handgun list if one exists so I can recommend a few models for her to look at when she gets home.
The other interesting response was to my carry loads (Cor-bon 200gr hollow points & 230gr Horanady XTP's) "What kind of bullets are those? are those hollow points? and only LEO's are alowed to have those in NewJersey. My conclusion is that NewJersey is a very screwed up state inspite of some very fine people.
 
I 'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV but I spent over 31 years as a LEO most of it in NJ and most of it as a federal LEO but here's what I can tell you.New Jersey doesn't have an approved list. As it stands today any handgun can be sold in NJ but you are limited to a maximum 15 round magazine. Hollow points are not illegal to possess in NJ they are illegal to use or have in possession during commission of a crime. This is an add on charge to whatever other crime was commited. Good law to another charge for an armed robber. However it seems to me that if you have an accidental discharge using hollowpoints, you damage someone's property, and wind up getting charged with some kind of criminal negligence the prosecutor could add this hollow point charge. On the other hand if you shoot an armed intruder in your home and it's a good shoot it would seem to me that use of hollow points here would be okay.

Retired LEOs are not allowed to carry hollow points in NJ. Neither can anyone with a carry permit in NJ.

All this being said I don't carry hollow points or have any gun in my house loaded with hollow points.

NJ also has a law saying that when the first "smart gun" (any handgun that restricts firing to someone with a special ring or bracelet) goes on the market that's the only handgun that can be sold 3 years after the smart gun hits the market.
 
Depending on the wind New Jersey sucks or blows.

I believe Grizz22 gave the correct answer to your question. I left NJ this year finally after living there most of my life, I'm not missing it at all.:D

It would be great if everyone left the state and there was no revenue there to support the corrupt mob connected politicians. Sorry for my rant, I didn't like being uprooted after 28 years.:barf:
 
No list

But the jonior hittlers have decreed that we can only have 15 round mags.
 
Thanks

When I couldn't find a list or refference to a list I began to doubt its existance. But I asumed that NJ was so much like Cali that there had to be a nanny approved list.
I just didn't want to recommend a nice 1911 and give her a rough price only to find out that in NJ cicked & locked or SA pistols were verboten.
Thanks again.
 
Good info, Grizz22. NJ also is pretty strict with how you secure your guns in your home. Heavy duty liability issues. I recently got back into firearms and found the process of getting a permit to purchase a handgun very daunting. First, you have to go to your local police, show your license and then they diappear into the back - probably to run a quick check. Then you fill out the application (with two personal references that they do call), get fingerprinted and wait 4 to 6 weeks for the permits. Unfortunately, the bad guys can still run over to PA and get one in an hour or less.
 
NJ does have a list for assault rifles. However they also add "any weapon that's substantially the same". Factors determining are all cosmetic; folding stock, pistol grip, ability to take mags over 15 rds, flash supressor, and bayonet stud. You are allowed any 2 things, 3 makes it illegal in NJ. You can buy post ban ARs and they are legal but add the flash surpressor and/or bayonet stud and it's illegal. Mini 14s are legal but a GB with flash supressor and bayonet stud is not.

Does anyone have stats on how many people were bayoneted every year?
 
Unfortunately, the bad guys can still run over to PA and get one in an hour or less.

geez, who wrote this? NJ's governer?...mayor bloomberg? i'm sure the bad guys can just as easily go into camden or trenton or newark and get guns pretty quickly. they're not getting them legally, and i think it's pretty clear that a criminal can illegally pick up guns in any urban center.
 
To buy a handgun in NJ:
- must be 21
- must have firearms license
- must have handgun license
- must have permit to purchase handgun and buy a handgun within 90 days or get a new permit to purhcase
- state registration of all handguns and handgun purchases

Hollow points - you can have them but you can't carry them. It doesn't matter as it is impossible to get a CCW permit here unless you are a cop, a government official, or a security officer for an armored vehicle. Open carry is not allowed either unless you have a CCW permit.
 
Carlrodd

You notice how the member with only a number and 6 posts stated his BS, didn't answer my questions and has disappeared. Anti-gun trolls do that all the time. He couldn't think up a good name this time, so just made up or used a familiar number for lack of imagination. I hate AHs that go phishing for a fight, when they have no legitimate basis in what they say. For instance all the AHs who use the term assault rifle incorrectly. ;)
 
Sorry Chief, I went to bed early. Regarding my comment about PA...

Camden, NJ was #1 in murder rate last year. Much of the cause is aimed at "straw buyers" in PA that buy handguns and sell them across the bridge in NJ to the gang bangers. You need a driver's license in PA, but nothing else that I know of. No record is kept in PA so a person can buy several in the morning and make a profit in the afternoon. Who I am and what I think matters not. The number of my posts has no relation to anything. Be thankful that you live where this concept appears confusing to you.

My screen name refers to being a K9 handler from 1967 to 1971.
 
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I am originally from the Bronx, NY. I lived in Hudson County NJ, and Morris County NJ for over 28 years. To purchase a HG in PA you need 2 pieces of ID that show your current address. The paperwork you fill out has your SS# and the serial # of the weapon purchased. The original owner of a firearm used and confiscated in the commission of a crime can be traced back to the original owner. That being the case a straw buyer/seller will have a short career. I don't think that much of the cause is straw purchases, as the media would have you believe. Most guns are stolen from their orginal owners and some are even illegally smuggled into the country. I take great precautions to see that mine don't wind up in the wrong hands.

I read the post on how you arrived at the handle that you are using. I apologize for the undue disrespect and hope that you can forgive me that indiscretion. I see alot of posts that are either sly remarks made by anti-gun people or just innocent ignorance. I fervently am pro-gun and I should not get so upset, but I can't help it. Watching freedom erode is a b_ _ _ h.
Being from NJ, I saw much of my freedom evaporate. The politicians made criminals out of the law abiding by changing the law, and expect the purchaser of expensive equipment to turn it in just because, with no compensation:barf: I'm glad I left, but I am also angry that I had to. People here say that it is a good thing to be from NJ. That is another way of saying that it is good that you left NJ.:cool:
Oh and by the way, I read another of your posts, what did you mean by you would rather have a dog over a gun for protection? That could be misconstrued into saying that we should all give up our guns, and get dogs instead. You see what I mean, I can't help it, language is too powerful a weapon. Anything you say can and will be used against you.
 
Chief, you are a gentleman and no offense is taken. I really do appreciate your post. I apologize for not being more clear about what I was saying. My point was that no matter how many idiotic laws they pass to hassle us good people, the bad will always find ways of getting what they want.

As old as I am, I still have more to learn. I didn't handle or fire a weapon since my discharge from the service in 71. Frankly, it never was something I gave much more thought to. Watching the coverage of Katrina changed that. I've purchased a 9mm, .357 and a Remington 870 in the past two months. I've joined a gun club and met many good people and hear varying viewpoints. I continue to learn and enjoy. In fact, I just got back from an excellent day at the range.

Good luck in VA. I was stationed there for a bit and it's a beautiful state. By the way, I came to NJ by way of Staten Island. How much longer I'll be here is questionable too!

AND ...dogs shouldn't replace guns, but they are as close to night vision glasses as you will ever get.

Talk to you soon.
 
K96771, I read the same thing about Camden blaming the gun laws in PA for their high murder rate. That doesn't explain why Philadelphia's murder rate is much lower than Camden's.
 
Grizz, not much makes sense about the stats that get thrown around (mine included!)

Good to see a few Jerseyans around. Misery loves company. Maybe we should all move in with Chief:D
 
No record is kept in PA so a person can buy several in the morning and make a profit in the afternoon.
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Not true for handguns.

Handguns must be sold via FFL, or @ the Sheriff's office, and NICS will be run.

The state police also keeps a list, there's a form for that. Somehow, the state supreme court declared that this list wasn't a registry on technical grounds, despite statutes that expressly forbid such.

Furthermore, any time you buy 2 or more handguns in a week, the ATFE flags that as a "suspicious purchase", which exempts them from the requirement of purging the record after 24 hrs.

Like someone said, straw buyers would have a very short career.
 
Geekwitha45

Don't you believe that a record is purged, not even for a mnute. A record is a record period. Laws are meant to be twisted and broken as the need be, by the law makers and enforcers. I have had finger prints taken for a background check to obtain endorsements on my CDL. These are supposed to be purged also, but you won't get me to believe that. Just my opinion and that of relative law enforcement officers.
 
To purchase a HG in PA you need 2 pieces of ID that show your current address.
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Wrong. All you need is one form of ID, generally your driver's license. I have never had to provide more than that, in buying many handguns from several different FFLs located in PA.
 
There is no approval list other than the New Jersey Criminal Statute which specifies what guns can be sold and purchased. I have to say in my town in NJ which is in Burlington County I was able to get my permits very quickly without a hassle. Its in the upstate areas inhabited by the intellectual elites of New Jersey that there is much delay. anybody who has a delay that is inordinate just

call the New Jersey Attorney General and tell him. that should do it.
 
I grew up in NJ and it was a good gun state until about 1966 or so. Austin Behlert was doing some nice pistols back then and my dad and I were regular NRA competitors at Ft. Monmouth range as well as Old Bridge and other neat old pistol ranges.:) I killed many a rat in the late 50's early 60's at the "dumps" in Monmouth and Ocean counties.:D
When I finished my first enlistment and was off for a couple mounths in 1969 the place had changed so bad I never went back to live there! I instead changed my home to California (MONTEREY cOUNTY) which was like the wild west then, and totally cool on guns:rolleyes: Now it is still better here, but not MUCH:fire: and I go to the promised land of AZ often and have another place in Oregon, that is still decent in some counties.:scrutiny:
 
ChiefThunderstick:

Let's just say that I know of that which I speak; my source is a reliable man in a position to know.

Yes, nonsuspicious NICS records, under _normal_ circumstances, *actually*are*purged*.

Of course, you can't prove, even in principle, that someone hasn't squirrelled away a stray day's work here and there, or that there isn't some secret backup tape machine humming away, or even that some half arsed IT process results in stray data living past it's burn date.

I'm also not surprised to see that they've got a hair trigger on what they deem to be a 'suspicious' transaction, but nonetheless, there are actually public servants, who, you know, do their best to diligently implement the law, whatever it may be, including whatever protections for us there are built into said law.
 
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