New law means new rifle!

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Michigan is allowing certain caliber rifles be used in formerly shotgun only zones.

"Under the proposal, which will be on a trial basis until 2017, rifles that take .35 caliber or larger ammunition could be used in the southern zone as long as the cartridges used are straight walled with a minimum case length between 1.16 and 1.80 inches. Pistols employing similar straight-walled cartridges are already allowed in that zone."

Those are rifles that shoot .357, .44 mag, 500 S&W mag and many others.

I usually hate hypothetical threads but what are your choices in caliber and platform and why?

Too bad the 30/30 doesn't qualify.
 
45-70 an option?

.454?

Not sure how large the deer are there, but if 45-70 was a go that would be my choice. I really like .357 but it may not have enough power if the deer are large.
 
For Lower Michigan the changes are similar to what Ohio has done.

A .35 caliber or larger rifle loaded with straight-walled cartridges with a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.80 inches.

The maximum eliminates cartridges like the 45-70 and 444 Marlin. There are cartridges like the 450 Bushmaster !.700" that fit as well as others.

Living in Ohio I always enjoyed rifle hunting in West Virginia. While just about any cartridge was suitable in W. Va. I liked my little handy 44 Magnum Ruger carbine rifle. My guess is lower Michigan isn't much different from Ohio as to terrain and most shots will be under 100 yards. Any good 357 or 44 Magnum lever gun would likely be a good choice. I liked the 44 Magnum because I also wore a S&W Model 29 and the cartridge was more than adequate for whitetail deer around here.

For what it's worth, depending on terrain any 357 or 44 Magnum carbine type rifle would be a good choice and don't rule out the 45 Colt. Go bigger if it trips your trigger. I personally never hunted with an AR type rifle simply because I had rifles I felt were better suited for hunting where I hunted. AR type rifles do just fine in the field.

Ron
 
straight walled with a minimum case length between 1.16 and 1.80 inches.

Here is where the confusion came from. It didn't clearly state that there was a maximum length. Thanks for the clarification.

Sure makes one of those little .500 S&W lever guns look a little more attractive though.:D
 
Here is where the confusion came from. It didn't clearly state that there was a maximum length. Thanks for the clarification.

Sure makes one of those little .500 S&W lever guns look a little more attractive though.:D
Yeah, that part leads to confusion. A good example is this link. Which reads:

Under the proposal, which will be on a trial basis until 2017, rifles that take .35 caliber or larger ammunition could be used in the southern zone as long as the cartridges used are straight walled with a minimum case length between 1.16 and 1.80 inches. Pistols employing similar straight-walled cartridges are already allowed in that zone.

The funny part is that link is the website of the legislature representative who wrote the changes. Go figure. :)

The actual limits show up on Michigan DNR websites. Looks like they intentionally eliminated cartridges like the 45-70 Government and 444 Marlin.

Ron
 
With those limitations I'd buy a 44 mag. I've had 45-70 and 444 in the past. The real world advantage isn't great enough to justify the added cost and recoil.

Same with any of the larger pistol calibers, 454, 460, 500 etc.
 
Actually I agree a .44 mag carbine is pretty darn hard to beat.
 
Remember, the .450 Bushy has the same energy at 200 yards as the .44 mag makes at the muzzle. A good .44mag carbine will run around $600-$900 (not including Rossi, Ive had a few and most folks dont want to do the work required to make them run slick). An AR in 450 Bush would likely cost about the same. Depends on what you want. Sort of a new vs. old scenario.
 
For the record, .458 SOCOM is not a straight-walled case. It has a slight bottleneck. Too bad.

If it were me, I'd probably go for a single-shot H&R Handi-rifle in .500 S&W.

Aaron
 
Michigan has long had the obnoxious "shotgun zone" south of Clare because the housing density, even in rural areas, is much higher south of that latitude than most areas north of it. Unfortunately the average deer hunter here is typically of a lower level of skill and sportsmanship than the average hunter of any other game animal, so we have some rather oppressive hunting laws specific to deer hunting. I say this as a rural landowner, licensed hunter, and part-time farmer. The problems are worst, by far, in the exurbs outside of metro Detroit. My wife grew up about an hour from Detroit, on private land surrounded by a very large state game area, and it was unreasonably dangerous during deer season. (Also just unpleasant with literally hundreds of hunter's cars lining the sides of a road that, for most of the year, gets only a few cars an hour.)

Michigan already prohibits hunting deer, with a firearm, within 200 yards of any residence unless you have written permission of the owner. If that were observed it would help a lot. But... anyway, the prohibition on most centerfire rifles in the south part of the state probably has a meaningful benefit for safety, since people otherwise would usually use a shotgun, with the projectile falling to ground very quickly if a smoothbore. Of course rifled shotguns are also allowed, and with the best sabot slugs you basically have centerfire rifle ballistics, as you would with something like a .460 S&W revolver. So the limitation is not as limiting as it might be, if you're willing spend lots of money on a specialized firearm not useful for much other than deer hunting.

All that said, I don't see that the cartridges allowed under this test rule present any more long-distance danger than the best sabot slugs, or something like a .460 S&W, and most people will be more accurate with a carbine than a rifled shotgun or mega-revolver.

My guess is lower Michigan isn't much different from Ohio as to terrain and most shots will be under 100 yards. Any good 357 or 44 Magnum lever gun would likely be a good choice. I liked the 44 Magnum because I also wore a S&W Model 29 and the cartridge was more than adequate for whitetail deer around here.

.44 Magnum would be my choice. Easy to find, moderately priced, and powerful enough for our deer at realistic ranges. Terrain varies a lot, but most shots are at 100 yards and less.
 
Very interesting, got me to thinking. If I had to cull my safe to just one of the approved calibers I would keep my .44mag. Would hate to see the rest of the stable go but the .44 would stay.

Lafitte
 
45-70 an option?

.454?

Not sure how large the deer are there, but if 45-70 was a go that would be my choice. I really like .357 but it may not have enough power if the deer are large.
My understanding was "above .45 cal" was always allowed in the Southern Zone regardless of case type or length--as I read the regs when I still lived there (until '83). Anything taking a .452", .454". and .458" are all above .45 cal in my book.

Mike
 
I hunt in ohio 4570 is now legal here I understand guys are trimming 4570 brass to the max length Michigan will allow to make 4570 legal
 
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