New Mossberg 590M (M = Magfed)

[CaptTripps]

Looks like a good sales gimmick from their end, I'll stick with my standard 18.5 M590A1, heavy barrel, rifle sights, with 6+1, its fast, light, and a great HD weapon. Only thing it is missing is a light.

 

[bannockburn]

Cooldill

With a 20 round magazine, red dot, breacher choke, pistol grip, tac light, tac laser, heat shield, vertical forend, and bayonet lug this could be an effective HD tool.

It might also be a wee bit heavy and unwieldy too with all that stuff on it!

 

[Panzerschwein]

Cooldill



It might also be a wee bit heavy and unwieldy too with all that stuff on it!

Meh.

Real operators don't feel weight.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I can see this for patrol cars so one doesn't have to keep rounds in the tube, but since I'm retired, I don't know how many still carry shotguns, as I see a lot of AR's now. Would have been nice for me back in the '80's when I was involved in a shotgun vs. shotgun incident. And extra mag or two would have been great. However, my old riot gun is good for home defense if I need it.

Oooohhh! Cmon brother, can't tease us with this and not give details! Story time!

As far as the 590m.....ugh. Might as well go all the way and get one of those AK shotguns at this point. No thanks. The Kel Tec KSG seems to be a much better packaging solution to high cap shotguns, though I haven't read up on them enough to know if they are reliable.

 

[bannockburn]

Cooldill

Meh.

Real operators don't feel weight.​

Maybe but I'd bet some of the really experienced ones find ways to avoid it.

 

[beeenbag]

Cooldill



Maybe but I'd bet some of the really experienced ones find ways to avoid it.

Iono what you guys are talking about, but my buddy's cousin that is special forces said they made these in the field during the battle of ghettysburg, spec ops for the north of course, and they used them as weights to curl and build biceps when not in use, so in essence, only the baddest operators have the heaviest

 

[entropy]

You guys keep this up and Gecko 45 might just crop up....just sayin'.....

 

[NoirFan]

No thanks. I like shotguns because I don't have to fiddle with magazines. All you need to shoot is gun + ammo, the rounds go right into the gun, nice and simple. Same with revolvers and SKSs.

 

[kudu]

Let's keep in on track people. Some will like them, others not so much.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Seriously, I was rather interested in these for a few days.

Then I learned spare magazines will be $101.

I am not interested any longer.

 

[Fiv3r]

That's pretty steep for a magazine. I kick myself when I misplace $30 magazines (forget which bag I left them in or in the truck console, or whatever).

I'd go full panic attack if lost a magazine costing a C-note.

 

[RecoilRob]

, rounds left in a box magazine will deform elliptically and not chamber much faster than rounds left in a tube mag will deform on top.

Good point on the rounds deforming in the mag. Have read of Saiga's having such issues and I believe it's made worse in an auto-loader being that the mag spring must be strong enough to lift the next shell in time to be picked up by the rapidly returning bolt. In a manually operated pumper...the mag spring can be much weaker which 'should' lessen the deformation over time, but the potential for such a problem still exists when a side force is applied to the shells.

I have a Mag 7 (which is my only mag-fed shottie) and it doesn't deform the shells in the mags enough that I've been able to notice. Of course, they're shorter than normal which makes them a bit more resistant and the mag springs are pleasantly weak so not a lot of force is on the shells even when fully loaded. If someone were to make large capacity mags for these new pumpers just the weight of rounds when fully loaded could be enough to deform the bottom one/s so it's definitely something I'd be concerned about.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I had a notion to contact the guy I get my chest rigs from and have him sew me up a 4-pocket rig for the 590M.

Such a rig would cost more than the computer I'm typing on did!

Come on, Mossberg. What's the benefit of detachable magazines when they are so ungodly expensive affording even a couple of more can but a whole new shotgun??

This makes me wonder on the cost of the Remy mags...

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Good point on the rounds deforming in the mag. Have read of Saiga's having such issues and I believe it's made worse in an auto-loader being that the mag spring must be strong enough to lift the next shell in time to be picked up by the rapidly returning bolt. In a manually operated pumper...the mag spring can be much weaker which 'should' lessen the deformation over time, but the potential for such a problem still exists when a side force is applied to the shells.

I have a Mag 7 (which is my only mag-fed shottie) and it doesn't deform the shells in the mags enough that I've been able to notice. Of course, they're shorter than normal which makes them a bit more resistant and the mag springs are pleasantly weak so not a lot of force is on the shells even when fully loaded. If someone were to make large capacity mags for these new pumpers just the weight of rounds when fully loaded could be enough to deform the bottom one/s so it's definitely something I'd be concerned about.

Silver Bear (Tula?) Makes steel cased 12ga ammo- might help with deformation issue.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Has the issue of deformation of shells been shown to affect function? Are they deforming to the point where they don't feed or it just cosmetic? And how long does it take for this to occur in a loaded magazine?

 

[RecoilRob]

Has the issue of deformation of shells been shown to affect function? Are they deforming to the point where they don't feed or it just cosmetic? And how long does it take for this to occur in a loaded magazine?

I'd only read about the shell deformation back when a friend got a Saiga 12, so a little search on the Saiga Forum turned up this: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php...-home-defense-weapons/?hl= shell deformation

Seems that they're saying that the problem has been greatly overstated and mostly happened due to pressure on the bottom of the bolt. Some have re-contoured the bolt and say this alleviates the problem while others just lock the bolt open when storing the gun with full mag which prevents the nose from getting smashed. Might not be as big of a problem as I first thought but anything that can possibly compromise reliability on a SD shotgun probably worth at least looking into.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Thanks, RecoilRob. I'll do a bit of research and keep my eyes open. At first blush it seems like this is more of a theoretical than a practical problem, but if evidence to the contrary is out there I'd like to see it. One would think a shell would have to deform quite a bit to not feed properly in a shotgun. I wonder how long it supposedly takes for this to occur? If it takes a bit one could simply rotate/shoot up the ammo periodically which is probably a good idea to begin with. For the most part 12 ga ammo isn't very expensive (even my preferred load, the Federal Reduced Recoil Flite Control 00-Buck is reasonably priced).

 

[RecoilRob]

Looking at this a bit more....it seems that when the Saiga 12's first came ashore that people were experiencing the deformation enough that it was frequently mentioned on the forums...but lately...not so much. Saiga might have changed the contour of the bottom of their bolts to address this as a running modification as most of the deformation happened on the crimped end of the shell. Spreading the contact out over a larger area seems to have alleviated what problems that were happening and many have done this themselves by grinding a relief in the bolt bottom.

Of course...the type and construction of shell would play a part...some being stronger/tougher than others. Also the type and capacity of mag is in play too, being the 10+ rounders would need stronger springs than the 5's which would exacerbate such a problem.