New Puma lever guns/shotguns for 2009

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I would love to have an 1892 case hardened in 45LC from Puma. The problem I have that I can't seem to over come is my reach. I am very close to 6foot 6 with very long arms so I feel very cramped holding one because of the deep curved cut in the stock. The only one that has ever fit my reach is the 454 Puma and I would guess they put the rubber recoil pad on the stock because of the heavy recoil of the 454 cartridge.

Puma just don't make them for someone my size. So instead I have
A very old great condition Win94 trapper in 44mag
A more recent Marlin 1894C 357Mag
And a Henry 22lr.

Love my levers put Puma just don't make them for someone like me. It is a shame too because all of the ones I have handled has been nice.
 
i want the .22 the 86 the bounty ......crap i dont have much money and i plan on buying 3 more marlins .................i think im out luck for while
 
I had an older 20" saddle ring Puma in .357. Sold it a few years ago, wish I hadn't, now. IMHO the '92 has always been the prettiest lever action.

Love the way they've redesigned mag tube on the new one. Introduced that a couple of years ago. Loads like a .22 rimfire, now. Quicker and and easier on the thumb - that's an improvement.

Hate that god awful safety contraption on the top of the receiver. I wouldn't even consider buying a rifle with that abomination on top of it. And, yes, I'm aware of the various "fixes". It's still uglier than sin.

It's a shame, but at times it seems all the good stuff is either, 1) outrageously expensive; 2) out of production; or 3) buggered up with so many "lawyer locks" I loose interest in even owning it. -- Kernel
 
The bounty hunter looks cool, but they are wanting $1,150 at the cheapest place I could find.

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Too expensive. Also, how is it NOT an SBR?



The .22 isn't available anywhere and goes for $600. A 10/22 with hicap mags does the same thing.
 
kilgor i think it would actually be classified as an AOW by the atf if some one made it from a rifle but since it was never made as a rifle and meets the handgun requirements then it can be classified as one its nice it wasnt for the price you could get it for like 200 cheaper (is it the 200 for an AOW or 5?)
 
The .22 isn't available anywhere and goes for $600. A 10/22 with hicap mags does the same thing.
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If its not available anywhere, then how do you know what it goes for? Anyway, Your right. the 10/22 is the end all be all of rim fires. Nobody should ever own anything else. Variety isn't the spice of life or anything.

I was on the edge of dropping $800 for a semi-auto PPSH a few months ago, but i held back. Now I can get a semi-auto PPSH clone with 3 drums, that shoots cheaper .22 LR for the same price? I'M IN! :)
 
If its not available anywhere, then how do you know what it goes for?
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I know what they go for because ads for it are all over the internet, but everyone is out of stock.

Anyway, Your right. the 10/22 is the end all be all of rim fires. Nobody should ever own anything else. Variety isn't the spice of life or anything.
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Did I say that? No I didn't did I? Strawman arguments aren't very high road. For the record, I own 4 .22s and none are a 10/22. I've never owned a 10/22.

What can this rifle do that a 10/22 with hicaps can't do for way cheaper? Show me and I'll get excited about it.
 
The bounty hunter looks cool, but they are wanting $1,150 at the cheapest place I could find.

Too expensive. Also, how is it NOT an SBR?
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The problem with the Bounty Hunter is that you can get a complete custom Mare's Leg from JB Custom for $1400 or so, so the Puma isn't too competitive.

As to how it's not an SBR, as mentioned above it's built on a receiver which has never had a shoulder stock, so it's legally a pistol. Same way they build those stockless AKs as "AK pistols". So no tax-stamp whatsoever.

If you cut down a full rifle, it's an SBR and $200 stamp. If a shotgun has never had a stock attached, and is cut down short, it's an AOW rather than an SBS since it's considered an >.50 pistol rather than a shortened shotgun. Weird, but it works once you get used to the ATF's system.


On a sidenote, my impression is that Legacy is affiliated with Chiappa, right? If so, that's a bit of a kick in the teeth to JB Custom, since Chiappa was the one providing him with virgin '92 receivers in the first place. Looks like they just decided to cut out the middle-man.
 
NOICE .22! I want!

I want a Bounty hunter, too, but wish they offered it in .357/.38. I'm a small guy, and imagine all the loads they offer it in would be pretty harsh for the way you'd habe to hold it.

Oh, and my wallet is cowering in a corner right now.
 
i also wanted ppsh41, but damn$$$$$. legacy sports website is when i first saw a slide show of it, but not for sale with their other guns. but my ffl dealer has their catalog and the gun is advertised there. he searched one for me but no one has it, and he gave me a price of $600 bucks if he can find one.
 
As to how it's not an SBR, as mentioned above it's built on a receiver which has never had a shoulder stock, so it's legally a pistol. Same way they build those stockless AKs as "AK pistols". So no tax-stamp whatsoever.
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How does the chunk of wood behind the receiver not count as a shoulder stock?
 
What can this rifle do that a 10/22 with hicaps can't do for way cheaper? Show me and I'll get excited about it.
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Be fun, new, different, higher quality, and collectible.

If you want to talk about whats not Hi-road, lets start with dumping on everyones hopes; LOTS of people want one of these, and you feel the need to crap in their bath water. A Saturn with super charger could accomplish the same thing as corvette for cheaper, but it just wouldn't be the same now would it? No.

How does the chunk of wood behind the receiver not count as a shoulder stock?
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Same way that an AR buffer tube doesn't: its too short to be used effectively.
 
Be fun, new, different, higher quality, and collectible.

If you want to talk about whats not Hi-road, lets start with dumping on everyones hopes; LOTS of people want one of these, and you feel the need to crap in their bath water. A Saturn with super charger could accomplish the same thing as corvette for cheaper, but it just wouldn't be the same now would it? No.
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I'm trying to have a DISCUSSION.
 
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Given the popularity of "military" style rifles and given the success of the GSG-5 (MP-5 .22 clone) I would expect to see a influx of military style .22 rifles.

The explosion in the cost of ammo will also help. To think that just a few years ago I remember seeing 7.62 WOLF for as low as $70 per 1000 rounds.
 
I recently bought a NOS Walnut stock Bingham PPS-50 (Pietta made), from this ad in GA:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/97699095...U-Misc-Rifles/BINGHAM_PPS_50_22_30_RD_MAG.htm

And if the ones to be sold by Legacy are like mine I'd advise PASS! Fit and finish is very good. One (30rd stick) mag worked great, the other regular FTF . Has by far the worst trigger of any rifle/carbine that I've ever owned or fired. It also keyholed with the two different types of ammo I tried in it. Even my 17yo son who encouraged me to buy it doesn't like it now. Anyone in the Tampa Bay Area that wants to buy it FTF can have it for $200. Only shot 'bout 200 rounds thru it, still looks new.

nero
 
I got my Birmingham 22 around 1990. Under $200 then. Came with a 50rd drum mag and satin nickle finish. Works with guud quality ammo. Takes a while to load the magazine
 
Bounty Hunter: I think it looks bigger than it is in the pictures since the internet blows the picture up to fill the same space. I think the rifle/pistol definition in Connecticut is a 12" barrel. Longer is a rifle. Since this has a foregrip under the barrel, it would be an illegal pistol in CT. (But don't trust me.)
 
Our local gun club is holding a "Lever Action" match this Saturday for the first time and it's generating a lot of interest. There will be 10 steel targets at ranges of 40, 100 & 150 meters. The 40 meter targets are to be shot with revolvers and the longer targets with lever rifles shot from buffalo stakes. Open or tang sights only; no Creedmore or ladder-type sights allowed.

In order to shoot this match I bought a Puma 1892 short rifle with 20" octagon barrel in .44 Mag. It has the color-case hardened receiver and is a well made rifle. I've added a Marble's Tang Sight to it.

So far I've fired 50 rounds of Winchester .44 Special Cowboy loads and then 50 reloads using a Lyman #429421 bullet that weighs 246 grains. Using 8.0 grains of IMR 4756 I was able to hit a steel swinger repeatedly at 150 meters. The swinger is a little smaller than a legal sheet of paper. I'll be working with loads more when my .44 Mag brass gets here but for now the .44 Special brass will have to do. Brass is hard to find at the moment.

I like the Puma although I would have preferred the 24" barrel. The action is smooth, the trigger is quite decent and the rifle overall is pleasing to handle and shoot. It promises to be accurate and lots of fun.
 
Deus Machina- The .44/40 would be the one you want. It would be the lightest recoil (probably lighter than .357 Mag.). Next up the ladder would be the.45 LC, with the .44mag being the heaviest hitter.

In a full length rifle, the .44/40 is a pussycat of a cartridge these days. The current "cowboy loads" are 200-210 grain LRN loaded to around 750fps (this may be a revolver speed-IDK)

Wyman
 
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