New to shooting, Need gun recommendations

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ArtMajor21

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Hello, I am relatively new to shooting and would like to get a good, durable pump action shotgun. I need it to be versatile for sport (mainly clays) and personal defense.

Requirements:
12 Gauge Pump Action
6+ Shell Capacity (or easy install of mag extension tubes)
Capable of accepting up to 3 1/2" Shells
Interchangeable Chokes
Both shot and slugs

Preferences:
Rifled Sights
Black Matte Finish

Recommendations on a gun or guns that would fit this list is what I am looking for. Thanks in advance,

Brian
 
I'm not sure if you'll be able to find a stock shotgun that has all of those features. You should be able to modify a base shotgun to get them, though.

The Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag fits some of your specifications, specifically having a 6 shot tubular magazine and capable of handling 3 1/2" shells. It also comes in different finishes (including black matte) and should have interchangeable chokes. However, none of the models that have rifle sites come in the black matte finish. http://mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=2&display=feat


Alternatively, the Remington 870 Super Magnum can probably be found in a configuration that fits most of your specifications, and then could be modified to accept a 2 round mag extension (as the standard mag capacity for the 870 is 4 rounds), and you'd probably have to buy an extra barrel in order to get the deer rifled sights. http://www.remington.com/products/f.../model_870_express_super_magnum_synthetic.asp

Personally, I'd go with the 870 Super Magnum. It might not initially meet all of your criteria, but its modular platform means you can easily change it to suit your needs. And I do not know how modular the Mossberg 835 platform is.
 
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Welcome to THR!

You need a 3 1/2" 12 gauge... why? Waterfowling? If you have a genuine need for hoisting that much payload, you would be MUCH better served by a 10 gauge than a 12.

My immediate suspicion when I see someone express a "need" for a 3.5" 12 ga., FWIW, is that lots of folks fall victim to the good old American "bigger is better" mindset. Where 12 ga. shotguns are concerned, it just isn't so. Most of us get by just fine with 2 3/4" shells in 12 gauges. Some few actually need 3" loads for waterfowling or turkey hunting, etc. But there is little if any practical advantage to the 3.5" loads, or to the guns made to handle them. Most fishing lures are designed to catch fishermen not fish, the same thing goes for some shotguns.

Be that as it may, tis your money- spend it as you wish.

My advice is to pick whatever make/model of pumpgun that suits you best. Get a 26-30" vent ribbed barrel to fit that gun for clay games, small game hunting and wingshooting, and get an 18-20" smoothbore barrel with rifle type sights for defensive use and big game hunting. That should cover your basic needs, there are lots and lots of one-shotgun households all over the country who get by just fine with that sort of setup.

The most versatile and available of pumpguns is the Remington 870. Mossberg fans prattle about the "superiority" of the control layout on their favorites- in time your fingers will learn where everything is on their own, I assure you, and the alleged inferiority of the 870 in that regard will not matter one whit.

There are more than 8,000,000 (that's 8 million) 870s out there, along with a corresponding number of spare barrels, parts, accessories both needed and useless, etc. You can get an 870 and take advantage of this. Or, you can saddle yourself with something "better" which lacks this level of market support. Your call. Just learn the models available, what differences there are and aren't, and pick your gun and accessories accordingly.

Have fun and stay safe,

lpl/nc
 
I've gotten along without firing one single 3.5" shell so far, Brian,but then I'm only 60.

And, with all due respect, if I wanted to make sure someone DIDN'T become a shotgunner, I'd turn them loose with a 3.5" load.

Otherwise, your specs will be well met with an 870, two barrels and plenty of ammo.

Do not forget thar last. Start off with the lightest loads possible.

And some lessons from a qualified instructor are treasures beyond price.

How close are you to Central MD?....
 
Listen to Dave's advice!!

I didn't, I bought a Mossberg 535 so that I could shoot the 3-1/2" Turkey loads that everybody said I "HAD to have" if I wanted to get a Turkey.

I went out to the range and patterned the gun with 4 different 10 round boxes of 3-1/2" shells. The next day, my shoulder had more shades of purple than any crayon box I have ever seen.....The Mossberg 535 now wears a rifled slug barrel and has become my "deer" shotgun.

The 3-1/2 shell was developed to make up for the performance lost when the shotshell makers switched to steel, technology has caught up and there are many more choices in the 3" magnum market and even in the 2-3/4" market. The 3-1/2" chamber isn't "needed" by anybody. If you have to take that 75 yard shot at a gobbler, you're not doing your job and calling him in closer. After all that's why it's called hunting, not killin'....
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. My "need" for the 3 1/2 is better described as a wanting to have the option because I am not sure exactly what I want to do. I am sure of clays but I did want to have options in case I decided to branch into other areas later.

I was looking at the Model 870™ Express Super Magnum Turkey
http://www.remington.com/products/f...870/model_870_express_super_magnum_turkey.asp

My only concerns would be can this model accept different barrels and a mag extension tube "easily" (I have heard issues with the dimples needing to be drilled first for the extensions)

Any ideas or experience with this would be helpful. Of course lessons and practice are defiantly in order. I am in New England though so a little far from MD but thanks again for all the help...

Brian
 
IMHO you're better off leaving the 3.5" "feature" alone. It makes for a longer pump stroke that you will have to run every time you shoot the gun no matter what length shells you are shooting. The bolt is the same as a standard 870 3" bolt, but it has a piece of spring steel snapped into a groove on the back of the bolt to cover up the extra 'hole' in the ejection port (and they have been known to come off).

Still, tis your money and you can spend it as you wish. My advice as always is to talk to family and friends, find out who has what in the way of shotguns you're considering purchasing, and make arrangements to shoot as many of them as you can before you buy. In other words, not only get your hands on the various guns you're looking at but actually shoot them too. That way you can make a better informed decision.

At the very least, shoot at least ONE 3.5" round before you buy a gun for them. If you want more after that, have at it. But you shouldn't make that decision before you know what you are getting into.

lpl/nc (listen to the old pharts here- you asked, after all)
 
Art...the barrels are readily available from places like Cabelas and other retailers.

I don't know if the 3 1/2" Turkey Express has dimples, but my regular 3" Express does. However, they can be removed without drilling them. The basic procedure is to take wrench sockets and starting out with a size that is just barely too large to fit past the dimples, tap the wrench sockets down past the dimples with a hammer, going slowly and increasing the size of the wrench sockets slightly as you go along. Eventually, the dimples will be pushed out and be flush with the sides of the mag tube, and then you can install the tube extension. Here's a thread that details the process a little better: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=260704&highlight=dimples

I haven't tried it on my gun yet, but I plan to eventually.
 
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