New Winchester 1873 or 1892?

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I am looking at adding a new rifle; I want a new Winchester 24" barreled rifle in 44/40 or ? Just as a nostalgia shooter, no cowboy action events or serious hunting. Just a nice addition. I have several Winchesters now, from 25/20, 32/20 in 92s to 25/35, 30/30 and 32 WS in 94s and an 1886 in 45/90. I have never shot a 73, but I handled one the other day and it was beautiful. Just looking for opinions on the 73. Anyone have a new 1873 Winchester? Any downside to them vs. a 1892? I am kind of open to caliber, as I am a reloader. I do realize the advantages of .45 colt over the old 44/40, but that really doesn't bother me, I'm not looking for a performance cartridge, just some fun. I already have dies for every caliber they are made in.
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You already have '92s so I'd recommend the '73. The action is not as strong as the '92s but a current '73 made of modern steel should be fine for the cartridges for which it is chambered although I'm not sure I'd feed a Uberti .44 Magnum a steady diet of full power loads. The '73's mechanically simple action can be made to run very smoothly. As a cowboy action shooter I see the Uberti '73s and the Winchester branded '73s being used week in, week out by lots of different people. The Winchester branded rifle seems to be a little better out of the box than the Uberti but it costs more, too. Not as many variants available in the Winchester but what they have are pretty nice. The current Navy Arms rifles which begin as Winchesters are very nicely finished with a price tag to match. Personally I don't care for .45 Colt in a rifle; I'd much prefer a .44-40. I use a .357 Uberti 1873 short rifle for cowboy action (with .38 Special ammunition); it's a fun rifle to shoot.
 
An Uberti '73 is on my bucket list. I have their 1860 Henry in 44-40 and I handload only with black powder because of nostalgia. Always puts a smile on my face to shoot it! I say get the '73 in 44WCF.
 
I have one of the new Winchester 73's in 44-40, it shoots very well. The front sight that comes on it is about twice as tall as it should be, but no complaints other than that.
The one thing you would have to be mindful of is not getting +p loads for the 92 mixed up with the 73 rounds.
 
I've got an original '73 in .38-40 with a 24" octagonal barrel and it is one heavy gun. Lots of fun to shoot with virtually no recoil from the light loads I shoot in it. I've also got a little .357 Rossi '92 carbine, very small and light, a joy to shoot and carry.

If you don't have a '73, why not? Just be aware, with the heavy 24" barrel, the weight is substantial.
 
First, since you have '92's already, by all means get a '66 or '73. Their actions are remarkably smooth and simplistic. I own two 130+ year old original 1873 Winchesters in 38 WCF and two Uberti's, one 1866 in .44-40 and one 1873 in .44 Magnum. The Uberti's are all but identical to the original Winchester. The new Winchesters are noticeably different than the original which is a turn-off to me.

As to caliber, I'd wanted a 45 Colt lever for a long time, but happened across a Uberti Sporting Rifle in 44-40 that was just too cheap to pass up. Turns out it's one of the most fun rifles I've ever owned. It has the ladder type rear sight (which I HIGHLY recommend) so I regulated it with my best handload(s). It makes for great fun to flip the sight up, slide it to the 200 or 300 yd. setting and shoot steel targets at those ranges. Last year on a trip to SW Texas some buddies and I used this rifle and black powder loads to shoot 326 yds. across a river bed at a rock about the size of a deer's chest. It's very gratifying to use a rifle designed 150+ years ago and actually hit with it.



Here's a sample of how mine shoots.

200 yds.: (cluster of shots at the bottom of the bull)



Here are some 300 yd. targets. I don't have a bench from which to shoot so these groups were fired prone, forearm rested:



And don't think for a minute that loaded with good black powder that these old cartridges aren't accurate, although a cross wind was messin' with me!:



Good luck in your decision!

35W
 
i lean towards the 1892 series of rifles over the 1873,s as the are lighter and handier. here are three of my favorite small frame winchester rifles, top is a model 1873 in 38-40, middle is a model 53 (my favorite hunting rifle) in 44-40 and the bottom is a model 1892 takedown with half round-oct barrel in 38-40. i load for all my old winchester rifles with cast lead bullets useing reasonable loads(safe). my rifles have not been safe queens, but have been honest working rifles taking care of varmites, bring home the meat and protecting the owners when and if needed. i don,t mind the outside wear ,but they must have very good to ex bores i have killed many deer with them at close range(0-75 yards) always trying for standing broadside double lung shots. eastbank.
 

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First, since you have '92's already, by all means get a '66 or '73. Their actions are remarkably smooth and simplistic. I own two 130+ year old original 1873 Winchesters in 38 WCF and two Uberti's, one 1866 in .44-40 and one 1873 in .44 Magnum. The Uberti's are all but identical to the original Winchester. The new Winchesters are noticeably different than the original which is a turn-off to me.

35W

This. +1. I have five model 1873's, one original in 38-40, two Miroku's--a short rifle in .357 mag/.38 spl. and a sporting rifle in 44-40.
Lastly a Uberti deluxe sporting rifle in .357 mag/38 spl and an older Euroarms 73 carbine in 44-40. I had another Uberti sporting rifle in .45 Colt until last week, but I sold it locally to partially fund a vintage original Winchester model 92 that I had been lusting after. If it had been in an historically authentic caliber for a 73, I probably would have kept it.


I totally agree that Miroku's have unnecessary alterations that make them a less authentic copy of an original Winchester than the Uberti. The fit or finish of the Miroku's is excellent, but so is that of the Uberti's and one would be splitting hairs to find one that much better than the other in this respect. Add to this the fact that the Uberti's can usually be found in more calibers and configuration at any one time in the market place and that they generally will cost 10 to 20% less than a Miroku whether one is paying MSRP or a more common street price. Lastly, since Uberti has been pumping out 1873 clones for 30 or more years, one has the change to find a used model in great condition at an even lower price.
This is not going to be true of the relatively new Miroku versions.

My choice would be the Uberti 1873--especially since the OP already has a good selection of model 92's

Cheers
 
Beautiful rifles, eastbank. Just beautiful, with the patina of honest wear from serving their masters.

As to the OPs question. I only own one Winchester lever gun and it is is a clone, A Rossi in 45 Colt. It is smooth enough, but recently A friend came to my place to shoot and he has a Uberti 73 in 44-40. unmodified, but it has a few hundred rounds through it. It was so slick and smooth I'm looking to get me one.....
 
Hunting takes on an entirely new dimension when it's done with a rifle that's "been there, done that" for over 130 years.

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If you look closely in the bottom picture, you can see where the wood just ahead of the receiver is visibly worn from the rifle being carried for over one and a quarter centuries.

35W
 
This. +1. I have five model 1873's, one original in 38-40, two Miroku's--a short rifle in .357 mag/.38 spl. and a sporting rifle in 44-40.
Lastly a Uberti deluxe sporting rifle in .357 mag/38 spl and an older Euroarms 73 carbine in 44-40. I had another Uberti sporting rifle in .45 Colt until last week, but I sold it locally to partially fund a vintage original Winchester model 92 that I had been lusting after. If it had been in an historically authentic caliber for a 73, I probably would have kept it.


I totally agree that Miroku's have unnecessary alterations that make them a less authentic copy of an original Winchester than the Uberti. The fit or finish of the Miroku's is excellent, but so is that of the Uberti's and one would be splitting hairs to find one that much better than the other in this respect. Add to this the fact that the Uberti's can usually be found in more calibers and configuration at any one time in the market place and that they generally will cost 10 to 20% less than a Miroku whether one is paying MSRP or a more common street price. Lastly, since Uberti has been pumping out 1873 clones for 30 or more years, one has the change to find a used model in great condition at an even lower price.
This is not going to be true of the relatively new Miroku versions.

My choice would be the Uberti 1873--especially since the OP already has a good selection of model 92's

Cheers



I didn't realize Euro arms made a repro 1873. How does it compare to the Uberti & Miroku?
Carbine or rifle?

I have a Uberti saddlering carbine version of the 1873 I bought in 1991. I like it a lot. Also a recently made Miroku repro of the Winchester 1892 takedown rifle in .32-20. Yes it has rebound hammer and tang safety, but these don't put me off like the do others....."to each his own," as they say.
I have a couple Euro arms cap & ball revolvers I consider very well made....I'm wondering about their 1873?
 
I didn't realize Euro arms made a repro 1873. How does it compare to the Uberti & Miroku?
Carbine or rifle?

I have a Uberti saddlering carbine version of the 1873 I bought in 1991. I like it a lot. Also a recently made Miroku repro of the Winchester 1892 takedown rifle in .32-20. Yes it has rebound hammer and tang safety, but these don't put me off like the do others....."to each his own," as they say.
I have a couple Euro arms cap & ball revolvers I consider very well made....I'm wondering about their 1873?

Euroarms is no longer in business. The carbine I mentioned is quite old for an Italian repro. The date code is XX7 which is supposed to be 1971. I didn't realize that Italy was even reproducing a model 73 that early until I checked the code. The barrel is marked "made by Euroarms, Bresca, Italy". It has no saddle ring, but does have the sliding brass trap door in the carbine butt plate with a cavity in the butt stock for a jointed cleaning rod.

In trying to piece together the lineage, it appears that the factory was Armi San Paulo who owned the importer named Euroarms from 1970 to 1996. They also had relations in the US with Cabelas, Dixie Gunworks, and Navy Arms. The importer name then changed to Euroarms of America still connected to Armi San Paulo or Euroarms Italia. That's about the best I can make of
how all that fits together.

According to the Blue Book of black powder the Euroarms of America or Armi San Paulo ceased production and importation in 2011. At the time they were only producing muzzle loading muskets and percussion revolvers---no cartridge firearms. All of their tooling was purchased by Pedersoli who plans to use it to continue some of their former offerings.

Neither the black powder Blue book nor the big standard Blue book of cartridge firearms lists any
model 1873's made or imported by Euroarms, so they must not have made them for very long and probably sold the tooling to somebody like Uberti.

Here's a picture of all of my 1873's except my last purchased Miroku sporting rifle. That model is pictured at the bottom

From front to back:

1. Miroku short rifle in .357 mag/.38 spl Notice how mis-matched the wood is between the butt stock and the forearm. This is not that unusual for them either.
2. Original sporting rifle in 38-40 made in 1891
3. Uberti sporting rifle in 45 Colt. I bought this unfired locally and sold it the same way two weekends ago. I paid $750 and sold it for $850. The new buyer still got an excellent deal on a pristine rifle that had never been fired.
4. The Euroarms carbine in 44-40. I've had it at least 15 or more years and got it as part of a trade
If the date code is right, it's 46 years old. The serial number is only three digits 04xx. It shoot great and is in mint condition--especially for its age.
5. Uberti 1873 deluxe sporting rifle in .357 mag/ .38 spl.

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Here is the Miroku sporting rifle in 44-40. I don't know if it shows up well, but this is the rifle that has the non-authentic extreme barrel taper--if not, one can certainly see that abnormally tall front sight. The premium wood is quite pretty though and matches up much better than the short rifle I got from them. This was a shot show special from the year before Miroku formally added it to their catalog. This rifle is a full half pound lighter than the original it is supposed to replicate. I've said it more than once on this forum that IMHO--pound for pound (literally) Uberti makes a more historically authentic 1873 replica than Miroku does and at a better MSRP. The species of the walnut used being one exception.

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Cheers
 
4 rifles chambered in cartridges that weren't chambered in rifles until the 1980's, and we're supposed to be worried about a rifle 1/2 pound lighter than an original?:rofl:
 
I think your choice should be a little dictated by the caliber you choose. Here's what I mean: I have a Uberti '73 in .357 Magnum. I have a Browning 92 in .44 Magnum. The Uberti is a heavy rifle and I can barely feel any recoil with any .357 rounds I've fired. On the other hand, the Browning 92 is a very light rifle and in .44 Magnum, it does smack your shoulder some. If I could choose, the .44 Mag would be in the heavier rifle and vice versa. That's just my thought.

Either one you get is going to be mighty nice though! Enjoy.
 
Objectively, the 1892 simply makes more sense. It's stronger, smaller, lighter and more practical. However, the 1860/1866/1873/1876 have an undeniable appeal all their own. If it calls to you, just give in. I did.;)
 
4 rifles chambered in cartridges that weren't chambered in rifles until the 1980's, and we're supposed to be worried about a rifle 1/2 pound lighter than an original?:rofl:

If your goal was to ridicule, insult, or bait me, I'm not sure how to respond to your error filled post in a polite manner. However, since you evidently did not comprehend the point I was trying make and instead focused the calibers of the rifles I purchased at totally different times and with different goals in mind, it's probably not worth my effort to enlighten you or explain my reasoning. In other words, I simply don't have the energy nor will at my age to take the bait.

Cheers
 
So many choices, so little time! I was probably too logical in my analysis of buying the right rifle for the caliber you choose... I enjoy both the '73 and the '92. The '92 is much handier and lighter and it's so "precise" in the way the action locks up. The '73 has the "history factor" and looking at how that action works is just a joy to behold. Does that help you choose?! :) Bottom line - we don't need no stinkin' logic! Buy what floats your boat! and like CraigC said, "Don't look back!"
 
a little OT, here are two of my favorite big bore rifles,a german 11mm and a winchester 1876 in 45-60. i have yet to kill a deer with the 11mm. eastbank.
 

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Thanks for the replies, but I had to go another direction all of a sudden. Can't explain it here, but life just dealt me out. I had to buy a Winchester1885 in 38/55. I will have to wait for a minute for another lever action. I had a Browning B92 once in 44 mag and i sold it right away, it was too short for me and i hated the sights. Plus as was mentioned it kicked pretty good too. i bought one in .357, but i couldn't get past the sights.
 
Thanks for the replies, but I had to go another direction all of a sudden. Can't explain it here, but life just dealt me out. I had to buy a Winchester1885 in 38/55. I will have to wait for a minute for another lever action. I had a Browning B92 once in 44 mag and i sold it right away, it was too short for me and i hated the sights. Plus as was mentioned it kicked pretty good too. i bought one in .357, but i couldn't get past the sights.
:confused::what::uhoh: I have a Browning 92 in .44 mag. I LOVE THE SIGHTS! Oh well, "to each his own." :thumbup:
 
I do have a Rossi 92 in .357 MAG, tuned it and it is 100% reliable. I would love to get a '66 Yellow Boy in .44-40
 
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