Newbie to reloading looking for some wisdom

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Triggs

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Mainly looking to start reloading for a 220 swift and 6.5 creedmoor. I see there are kits but not sure if i should piece together or buy a kit. Right now using the hornady 55 grain v max in the swift and the hornady 129 grain superperformance SST in the 6.5.

Please note that i will be starting from scratch and do not have anything at this point.

Thank you guys
 
If by "kit" you mean, the Press ,scale and funnel, etcetera, I believe it's an excellent way to start. Three years ago I purchased a Hornady Deluxe Press Kit. It does contain many things a beginner, like myself, will need to start out with.
However, it doesn't have everything. One will still need a quality set of calipers, not just for precision handloading, but for all aspects of it.
One will also need to purchase die sets for the calibers one needs to handload for. I have the Hornady comparator set as well. They are useful for many different measurements. Depending on how far one wishes to go 'down the rabbit hole' of accuracy there are other tools needed also.
My bench has nearly every color, but red dominates the bulk of it.

It really is a rewarding pastime. One may not save much money, but will enjoy the accuracy and the extra shooting.

Welcome to The High Road! There are many excellent shooters and knowledgeable members here. Much more experienced than myself. I wish you good luck with your journey.

Did I mention Hornady has nearly everything one needs? Okay, just checking.:)
 
I neglected to mention the most important thing that a beginner needs to have, the manual. Most press kits will come with one. There are also many other volumes that will cover the steps and detail in handloading ammunition. When one receives the box the very first thing one should do is read the book. Primarily and most importantly the starting chapters. This will explain the theory and dangers that may be encountered. The rest of the manual consists of the 'recipes' for the various calibers, but the first part of the manual is the most important. I beseech thee, read it twice.
 
Welcome, Triggs.

All of the equipment vendors sell kits containing everything someone needs to get started. Hornady, Lee, RCBS, Lyman, and others. They are all capable of producing good ammunition and your decision is liable to be made as much on the basis of what brand your local gun store or big box sporting goods retailer carries. In my case it was RCBS and so green predominates my reloading bench.

If you have a choice between brands, don't default to the cheapest thing available. My reloading press is 38 years old and is still being used almost daily. A $50 or even $100 difference comes down to pennies per month, so get the system that fits you and works intuitively for you.
 
Most of the kits come with gear you won't end up using. I tend to recommend parting things out to get the best combination of gear for the lowest waste.
 
In general terms the kits are very good starters. But there are some that have some pretty cheeze items that will be replaced which make some kits not a good buy. What are your goals in hand loading? Primary intended use? Target, hunting, long range.... And Your intended budget.

Most all my gear over the decades has been RCBS, Hornady, Redding. I have a pretty good mixture of dies with most being RCBS or Hornady. All my precision dies are Redding. I've moved to digital powder dispensers for most of my rifle precision rounds. I still use a rotary type dispense for my high volume rounds, rifle and pistol.

Lee makes so pretty cheap gear if $$$ is tight. I never had like the quality of Lee when compared to RCBS or Hornady, which offer a lifetime warranty. I don't believe in the LFCD, it's a die for those who don't know how to set thing up right to start with. Just my personal opinion on how most use the LFCD, to fix problem with improper die settings.

I started hand loading in the 60's & 70's where all you had was a few books. A lot of trial and error unless you had a mentor which I did not. The generation has it easy with the www to find solutions to about any thing.

You still have time to escape before the additions kicks in :D
 
I put this in a separate post because it is so very important.

Reloading is a hobby that will offer you the opportunity to safely craft ammunition custom designed to your particular specifications and needs. But, remember each cartridge you are creating has the potential to be a tiny pipe bomb :eek: if you don't follow the rules of laid down by the equipment and supply makers.

So, PLEASE buy at least one (preferably two) reloading manual(s). If your kit comes with a manual, then read the manual before you start opening up the rest of the stuff in the box. Carefully read the first part of the manual that talks about "how to reload".

And then read it again. :)

Seriously. :D

And once you have read through it twice, sit down and write out a reloading procedure you intend to follow based on what you read. Do this on computer and print out a copy of your procedures every time you reload and use it as a checklist to make sure you're following every step. Mistakes happen when people get "comfortable" reloading and the checklist will help ensure you don't become too complacent. At first, the checklist will seem to be a drag on your unfettered enjoyment of the hobby, but the first time it keeps you from having a squib or a double-charged case, you'll start to cherish it for the lifesaver it is. :cool:
 
I was in your shoes 3 years ago and let me tell you this! Buy the quality you can afford because the cheap stuff will end up making you mad and the experience unenjoyable.

I started with a barrowed lee c-single stage press and it sucked changing dies out all the time so I got a lee classic turret within the first 100rds.

I started with a hornady cheapo digital scale that would read a full grain different each time you put say a bullet, charge, pan, etc on it so returned it and used the new one for a week and couldn't trust it so I got a $100 lyman digital scale based on a few old timers advice and it works great.

Started with lee chamfer and debur tool and it sucked so I went with the lyman hand tools with the handles and they sucked so now I have the little lyman crank that uses the prep tools and its good enough for what I need.

I started with a lee perfect powder measure and it works well. no complaints for the price.

I started with the I'm a cheapo and reloading cause I'm cheap and want to save money to just having stuff tick me off and ended up upgrading so just get the decent/good stuff you can afford now instead of messing with junk in the beginning.
 
to add to what the guys are saying about reading the manual. I have 2 manuals. one for the bullets I use and a lyman. If you have any questions at all stop and don't do anything and ask here first. a lot of very, very good people on here willing to help. I'm sure I got a little irritating when I first started but now I'm on a roll.

write everything down and go slow. no radio, phone, people. do everything in batches like trim one night, debur/chamfer the next night, prime the next night, charge and seat the bullet the next. it makes it a lot easier when starting out to do things in batches. I would start by buying the following.

RCBS rifle dies. FL and seater. Lee makes good stuff also but I started with rcbs rifle dies so I'm a little partial. use lee for all handgun stuff though.
Redding imperial sizing wax
Hornady manual seeing how you like their bullets. lyman manual, abc's of reloading.
press--if you ever want to do handgun the lee classic turret is a very good press.
Lee perfect powder measure.
if you have a cabelas around get their ammo boxes-they are the cheapest I have found and very good.
loading block-this lets you put cases in to charge.
small flashlight to look inside cases in the loading block to see if they are charged. I don't mess with that and just charge and right to the press to seat a bullet so there is no questions.
priming tool--if you get the turret or any lee press you can use the safety prime or buy a hand primer.
Case prep-I use a lyman case care kit from cabelas. Its built really well and comes with all the tools needed. I also got a lee case prep center trimmer and pilots that attaches to this and it trims very well. way cheaper than the electric and buying a separate trimmer.
id get a case gauge for each caliber just to make sure everything is good when you start out.
calipers-harbor freight ones work good.
funnel to pour powder-I like lee's, more universal.
scale-buy the best one you can afford.
trickler-i like Frankfort arsenals-very heavy do doesn't move.
 
Well you have 2 rifles that beg for precision. Do you want to reload to save money or make more accurate ammo? Saving money....Ha! Better ammo, yes, every day. There is a difference in equipment needed. Spend once cry once.
 
In general terms the kits are very good starters. But there are some that have some pretty cheeze items that will be replaced which make some kits not a good buy.

I couldn't agree more.
I bought a kit & the only thing that I still use is the press itself and the priming mechanism every once in a great while.
It's great for more budget-minded folks.
But if you have the means, parting it out is better.
 
The first thing to decide is the type of press you're interested in. There are three main types - single stage, turret or progressive. The reloading process entails the use of several dies that must each be applied to each round, affecting the basic reloading tasks of pressing out the spent primer, resizing the case, seating the bullet, and optionally crimping it in place. The means for applying each to each round is where the press types fundamentally differ.
  • Single stage - a simple mechanical ram press that holds one die at a time. Dies must be changed and cases run through press multiple times to apply each die to each round.
  • Turret press - press that holds multiple dies, but only uses one per lever stroke. The dies rotate to align with the round, applying each to each round via multiple lever stokes per round.
  • Progressive press - press holds multiple dies, uses all of them on each lever stroke. Multiple rounds are in process at all times, so a finished round is produced with every lever stroke.
Many reloaders start with a single stage press, and as long as you don't intend to produce hundreds of rounds per week it's a great learning tool. Single stage presses are also have the highest degree of inherent precision, so if your accuracy-obsessed this may be an advantage worth pursuing. Single stage presses are also the least expensive inherently, increasing their appeal to those needing to purchase everything as opposed to those upgrading an existing unit.

I started with the popular Lee Classic Turret press, as I load a few hundred rounds of 9mm per week at minimum. Once the round count increases into the hundreds per week the speed advantages inherent in a turret press become attractive, especially as they aren't that much more money than single stage units. Progressive presses cost considerably more and are more complicated, making their tremendous speed something most beginners do without until they learn the basics of reloading with simpler units.

Kits may or may not save you money, as they often come with a rudimentary scale or other items you'd really like to upgrade right out of the gate. With Lee products the kits are pretty aggressively priced, though, so you can't get hurt very badly. You might consider a Lee Challenger single stage, but there are many good choices. I am familiar with the Lee products, but RCBS makes higher quality single stage presses you might consider if you feel you'll stay with the single stage for the long term as apposed to using it as a stepping stone to a turret or progressive setup. Due to their simplicity single stage presses aren't that expensive to manufacture, so while even a ~$70 Lee Challenger is a pretty nice press more expensive ones aren't that much more.

Once you've decided on a press type people can give you better advice on the exact product selection. You'll need to consider dies, priming tools, case prep tools and powder handling in addition to the press itself, but you can work out those details more easily once you've defined your press type and goals for its use.
 
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I'd actually recommend getting a reloading manual first or a quality book on reloading. Read through it, make notes of what doesn't make sense, and ask here. Read about what all is involved in the process and what equipment you need for what level of accuracy or production you desire.

For the beginning reloader I would recommend the following:

Lee Challenger press - it's a sturdy little single stage that will have many uses throughout your reloading journey. It's not much more expensive then the true budget not quite junk presses you can get, and it's a heck of a lot more quality. It's a great press to learn on, and a great utility press for things you need a single stage for.
Lee Safety powder scale - for the price it's very hard to beat. It is certainly not the best balance type scale out there, but for the cost it is by far the best choice in it's price range. A new scale would be one of the first things I would upgrade to, but this one is a great starter at a very low cost.
RCBS Dial calipers (see it's not all red!) - I prefer dial calipers for new reloaders as they will likely only have 1 set of calipers. With a dial indicator you never have to worry about running out of battery, and making the mistake of just "eyeballing" something. They are good calipers, and honestly you need to look at Starett or other true machinist calipers to find better ones.
Lee Powder measure (ie dippers) kit - One of the more intuitive ways to measure powder for most people. They are very fast, and with a little practice repeatable. A great standby to have handy on your bench for later when you don't feel like resetting your powder measure for 10 cartridges or for dipping charges of black powder.
RCBS Powder Trickler - This lets you fine tune your loads down to the individual granule of powder. Everybody makes a decent trickler, but this is one the I have and it works great for me. Use this with the powder dipper above, to fine tune things on you scale.
Dies - I'm a big fan of Lee dies, again for the price they are very difficult to beat. Most of the die sets come with everything you need to load, including the shell holder for that caliber.
Lee Case trimmer - Yes it's not the greatest system out there, but it works, and again, it's cheap. I could buy the sets for every caliber I load and then some for just the price of the cutter with other brands. An excellent way to get started.
Funnel - A good funnel, everyone makes them.

With the above (along with the manual and book that you read before you bought anything) you can safely reload pretty much any ammunition you like. Being a single stage press it will not be fast, but the above wont break the bank either if you find out later you're really not that into it. I recommend Lee as I find they are an excellent value, and they are a usually just as good as much more expensive products. There are certainly more capable presses, scales, powder measures, etc out there then what I have listed above. If you are just getting started and not sure you're going to be into it, it can be very expensive to find out this isn't your thing. The only thing I listed above you'd probably put in a cabinet and not use after you upgrade would be the scale, but any other decent scale is going to be a big jump in cost to start.

There are a hundred different products you could get instead of the above to get started, that would work just as well. Some might cost more, others less, but these are the ones I can speak from experience have worked for me and for friends who I have helped get started. I still use all the above with regularity even with all the other much more expensive gear I have acquired over the years.

-Jenrick
 
I would skip the "kits" as there is usually stuff in there that you won't use and likely some of the stuff that does come will be entry level and you'll wish you'd have spent a little more for a better quality part. I'm going to recommend the Lee Classic Turret press over a single stage. You can use it as a single stage while you're just getting started and then you can add the auto index later to spend the process up when you're ready.
 
I'm a RCBS fan. I just reviewed the RCBS RC Supreme kit & there are only a couple of items there I would not use. I hate the cheesy loading block & I don't like the hand priming tool (some love it). There is nothing provided for trimming cases either, you will eventually need that. No matter how far you go in reloading with turrets, progressives presses, etc, you'll always want at least one single stage press. Overall, I think this kit would be a good starting point.

If you have an experienced reloading friend that has gone through it all, he could definitely help walk you through picking & choosing individual components. You won't save any money, but you could avoid having 2 or 3 spares of everything you changed our mind about!:)
 
If you are anywhere nearby and want to take a look at my humble set up and load up a few .223 on a Rockchucker just send me a PM
 
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