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Newbie With Revolver Cylinder Rotation Problem. Help!

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  1. avatarshots

    avatarshots Member

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    For Christmas I got 3 CP revolvers; A Uberti 1861 Navy .36, A Uberti Colt Dragoon 1st Model and a Pietta 1873 cap & ball version of the Colt Peacemaker.
    My problem is that the cylinders stopped revolving to the next shot, on the Dragoon, and the 1873. The 1861 Navy preformed flawlessly (In fact I was surprised at the accuracy!)
    Even after cleaning, I'm seeing the same problem with the cylinders revolving. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
    Can anyone please give me some insight as to why this is happening?
    Thanks in advance!
     

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  2. whughett

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    Wedge tapped in to tight?????
     
  3. avatarshots

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    No. Having the same problem with the Pietta 1873 which has a top strap
     
  4. jaxenro

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    A arbor too short and the wedge too tight?
     
  5. avatarshots

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    Just tried something with both of them. When I cock them holding the barrel pointed UP, the cylinders won't revolve. BUT when I hold them barrel pointing down, the cylinders turn
     
  6. J-Bar

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    There is cleaning, and then there is CLEANING. I suspect a cap fragment has fallen down into the internals and is causing a jam.

    Do a complete disassembly, clean, and relube appropriately. Be sure to use a blackpowder compatible lube on the arbor and base pins.

    If you are a newbie, have you done your homework and the proper care, feeding, and lubrication of black powder revolvers? It makes a difference.

    Good luck and enjoy those new guns!!

    Just saw your latest post. You likely have broken a handspring. Repair, replacement has been discussed numerous times...do a search for hand springs.
     
  7. 45 Dragoon

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    What you are describing is a clasic broken hand spring.
     
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  8. avatarshots

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    I'm enjoying them throughly, just wish the cylinders on 2 of them would revolve LOL. I treated all 3 the same. No issues whatsoever with the 1861 Navy
     
  9. avatarshots

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    45 Dragoon- When I point the muzzle toward the ground, both guns rotate. When I hold them muzzle pointed UP, the cylinders just sit there not moving.
     
  10. 45 Dragoon

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    You are describing classic broken hand spring
     
  11. rcmodel

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    As 45 Dragoon said, you have broken hand springs.

    Without a working spring on the hand, gravity holds it down against the cylinder ratchet when pointed down.
    But it falls away and won't engage the cylinder ratchet when pointed up.

    As a test?
    Take the cylinder out of a gun, and Cock the hammer.
    Then see if the hand it protruding out of the slot in the frame.
    Then see if it is spring loaded out when you push it in with your finger??

    If it isn't, the hand spring is broken, or missing.

    rc
     
  12. avatarshots

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    When I take the cylinder out and hold the barrel down I can see it protruding, and when I push on it it moves back freely :(
    Damn! 2 brand new guns!
     
  13. avatarshots

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    How hard is it to fix? And since the guns are new can I take them to the dealer?
     
  14. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Yes, I would highly recommend it!!

    Return them and get'sum that work.

    rc
     
  15. BullSlinger

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    Somehow I think this is operator error. 2 new guns? You say they don't revolve when cocked, they are not supposed to. Try at half cock, bet they revolve.
     
  16. avatarshots

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    Just boxed up the Dragoon :) That came from a walk in store. The 1873 came from Dixie Gun Works. I'll be calling them in the morning.
    I guess 1 out of 3 ain't too bad. The 1861 Navy is a sweet shooter. Put about 40 rounds through it. 3 inch pattern all in the black at approx 25 yards. (I was shooting using a sand bag to rest the pistol though)
     
  17. avatarshots

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    When you cock a single action revolver the cylinder turns and locks at the next chamber. It's not operator error.
     
  18. BowerR64

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    3 guns for christmas? you made out like a bandit.:what:
     
  19. avatarshots

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    Thanks BowerR64
     
  20. Palehorseman

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    Ditto, or one badly bent.
     
  21. StrawHat

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    Of course the 1861 is working, it is the best of the lot. Get rid of the others and get a couple more 61s! I have had a pair since the early 70s. Best revolvers ever made.
     
  22. avatarshots

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    StrawHat I agree! And it proved to be deadly accurate at 25 yards. A was hoping the 1873 would have been the prize ( and it well might when working right)
     
  23. Noz

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    The broken hand spring is an easy repair. VTIgunparts.com will have what you need. (Order extra for each gun)
     
  24. avatarshots

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    It probably is a easy fix but I don't think I should have to fix something that's brand new in the box
     
  25. Tommygunn

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    Yes, broken hand spring. Pointing down the pawl falls due to gravity while pointed UP it won't move forward BECAUSE of gravity; the spring should PUSH it forward irregardless of orientation.
     
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