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As usual criminals, as always, have no problems getting guns. It's only the law abiding who are prevented from protecting themselves. I'm always amazed how little people from places like the UK, Aus, and others know about their own crime rates, and act like they know anything about ours...From "gun free" Australia:


Guns hold Sydney hostage

The Daily Telegraph October 05, 2009 12:00AM


Sydney shootings ... getting worse. Source: The Daily Telegraph

GUN violence is so out of control there are three shootings a week in Sydney and neighbourhoods are living in fear.

The city's shooting capital is Fairfield, with 34 shootings and drive-bys in just two years to the end of June.

Exclusive statistics from the Bureau of Crime Statistics show there were 157 drive-by and illegal shootings between July 2008 and the end of June, up from 129 the year before.

Police investigated 29 shootings in the Blacktown local government area, 25 in Bankstown, 24 in Auburn and 20 in Liverpool. There were even 11 shootings in the heart of the city.

Opposition police spokesman Mike Gallacher said NSW was awash with handguns, which were being imported from overseas and then traded on Sydney streets.

"Criminals are getting their hands on illegally imported firearms," he said last night.

A frightening array of guns have been seized in the past month, including a .357 Magnum handgun and a .22 shortened rifle with silencer.

In one raid on September 9, police officers managed to seize five Colt M16 assault rifles, three Colt AR15 assault rifles, three 9mm assault rifles, a tactical assault rifle and seven 9mm handguns at Rosebery.

The last shooting victim was a 34-year-old Auburn man wounded in the shoulder six days ago in Sydney.

Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research chief Don Weatherburn blamed the spike in shootings on a sudden rise in bikie-related drive-bys towards the end of late last year.

He added that the number of shootings had since stabilised.

The latest drive-by shooting was just two weeks ago at Smithfield, with a family at home when their house was shot at.

Truck driver Bob Knight was an innocent victim caught in the crossfire in June when shot dead by a stray bullet from a gunfight that took place in Milperra.

"I actually feel sorry for people that live in Sydney, people that lived near it wrote to us saying `It could have been my house'," Mr Knight's son David said yesterday.

"I like to hope if something comes out of this for Dad that the Government or the police actually realise what is going on."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/guns-hold-sydney-hostage/story-e6freuy9-1225782701247
 
Only the brainwashed believe gun bans reduce crime,they'll spout off statistics that leave out key information. The government knows what is best for the people....even if it leaves the people defenseless.
 
But can't you see?
It's working!
The government has control over the people!
Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.
 
Yep, I've seen quotes from Hitler and Stalin that mention citizens being armed or disarmed rather. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi would boohoo on the podium if she knew she shared Hitler's viewpoint on armed citizens.
 
Unbeliveable.. Now that honest people are rid of guns and defenseless, these politicians are amazed that criminals are getting their guns anyway, illegally, from foreign countries (and its a freaking Island like england, imagine on mainland in europe..) ...!

These people are brainless...
 
At least they got that "tactical assault rifle" off the street (not to be confused with m16, ar15, or 9mm assualt rifles).

Is that another phrase for mall ninja assualt rifle?
 
Australia is a democracy!! In a democracy the leaders tend ( very very much ) to do what the people want them to. So the people of Australia have no one to blame but themselves should they not like the current gun laws there.
 
GUN violence is so out of control there are three shootings a week in Sydney and neighbourhoods are living in fear.
The city's shooting capital is Fairfield, with 34 shootings and drive-bys in just two years to the end of June.
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To keep things in perspective, 34 shooting is a long weekend in Washington DC, Detroit, and many other US cities.
 
xclusive statistics from the Bureau of Crime Statistics show there were 157 drive-by and illegal shootings between July 2008 and the end of June, up from 129 the year before.
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Are the "drive-by" shootings legal?
 
Here's a touch of reality you probably won't hear from the Brady Bunch or VPC: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-nmurder03.html

This page is for the stats from 1998 to 2002. I've seen another page on the FBI's site for 2002 to 2008 but don't remember the link at the moment. A little Google fu should turn those years up shortly.

The point of said link follows; take 1998 for example when 546 people were murdered with a rifle of any type and 626 were murdered with a shotgun rifle of any type. (I stress "of any type" because that's not just evil black rifles, it's rifles of any type, to include old school bolt action rifles and such).

In contrast, 1890 people were killed with a knife or other cutting instrument in 1998, 750 were killed with a blunt object, and 959 were beaten to death using no weapon at all.

Hmmm, as dumb as it still would be, it'd actually be less dumb to argue that we should ban "assault knives", "assault objects", or "assault fists" then it is to argue we should ban evil black rifles.

**Note** I used 1998 because it was the first year that came up, but 1999 to 2002 showed around the same numbers. We really need to be bringing these numbers up every single time any dumb*ss starts spouting off about banning "assault rifles". Beat them over the head with the stats, oops, sorry, don't want to add another number to the 750 killed with a blunt object ...
 
The thread was entitled News from gun free Australia....

Australia is NOT gun free, I don't know how many of this type of thread I've seen over recent years, but that is a very inaccurate statement. Most types of firearms are readilly available in Australia, it's just that the possession of them is much more restricted than it is here in the USA. I'm not saying that their gun laws are anything I could live with, I'm from Australia & that is one reason I don't think I'll ever go back there to live, but to say that Australians cannot own firearms is totally false. I have visited Australia three times since their more restrictive gun laws came into effect & I can honestly say the gun shops down there are far better stocked than most I have seen here.
 
No, this is another great misconception about gun ownership in Australia. Self defence is a perfectly legal justification for using lethal force with a firearm in Australia. It is not considered an appropriate purpose for purchasing a firearm but that does not mean that it can't be used for self-defence. You are perfectly free to buy yourself a shotgun and store it in your bedroom but you cannot do it for the stated purpose of "self-defence". Hunting, target shooting, pest-control etc are the accepted justifications but if you use it to genuinely defend yourself, you will find our legal system quite sympathetic to that defence.
 
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You are perfectly free to buy yourself a shotgun and store it in your bedroom
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Thanks for your input Yankee. In regard to your comment above though, wouldn't that shotgun have to be kept in a locked cabinet or safe with the ammo in a seperate container & therefore not 'readilly accessible' in an emergency? Plus, you'd have to be licensed to own firearms, have a waiting period before you took posession of any gun that you bought, & have to register them.....all things that would be quite alien to gun owners in most parts of the USA.
Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation about the gun situation in Australia. I think a lot of the blame for that, at least in the USA, is due to the NRA's misleading articles. I appreciate they are trying to get a warning message across to apathetic gun owners, but I have found their reporting to be quite inaccurate which is unfortunate. By the way, I am a NRA Life Member, so I'm not anti-NRA.
Are you in S.A.?
 
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157 illegal shooting (not murders, but shooting) events per year for a major city? <40 per year in neighborhoods of (I assume) significant size? That's not very many when you think about it.
 
My uncle went on a guided hunt in Australia a few years ago. The paperwork to take in a couple of bolt action rifles was very nearly impossible to obtain and complete, with almost a year in advance to take care of it. It's great to know that Australia is safe from the scourge of gun violence caused by middle aged hunters from abroad whose every step inside the country is accounted for.

I guess that just leaves the criminals.
 
The thread was entitled News from gun free Australia....

Australia is NOT gun free, I don't know how many of this type of thread I've seen over recent years, but that is a very inaccurate statement. Most types of firearms are readilly available in Australia, it's just that the possession of them is much more restricted than it is here in the USA. I'm not saying that their gun laws are anything I could live with, I'm from Australia & that is one reason I don't think I'll ever go back there to live, but to say that Australians cannot own firearms is totally false. I have visited Australia three times since their more restrictive gun laws came into effect & I can honestly say the gun shops down there are far better stocked than most I have seen here.
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Almost no nation in the world actually bans guns completely. Some may require special government permission, inspections of the home and a safe/vault, have multiple licenses for different types of firearms, requirements to belong to an expensive club for x number of months first, requirement to be stored unloaded and/or disassembled, etc etc etc

Even the most oppressive nations have ways for some people, who do some steps, to qualify to own some limited type of firearm.
Consider even modern select fire weapons are not technically banned in the US. SOT licensed dealers get them. So in reality it is just a special license, associated costs, etc that are required.
In fact if you become licensed as a defense contractor with associated contracts you can have all kinds of crazy things. But that is not reality for 99.99% of the population. So while virtually any weapon is not "banned" in the US, there is many types most people can never legally have. But you really just need the right licenses.
There is civilians testing the latest guidance systems on modern missiles and bombs capable of taking out a block. So even those are not technically "banned".

So since no nation in the world actually "bans" firearms, what people mean by a "ban" is restrictions that intentionally put the firearm out of reach of most people.
Obtaining most firearms is such a pain that the vhast majority of the population will not dedicate the time and money to go through all the steps to own one. As less people become firearm owners due to the extreme hassle and infringement of privacy, the culture is passed down to fewer in the next generation. So the per capita rate of ownership dwindles. Making it even easier further to demonize and restrict arms even more in the future as owners become a smaller and smaller minority.

In Australia for example, they technically have a licensing process for class C and D firearms (semi auto rifles). Yet the police will not grant such licenses to almost anyone in most areas of Australia. But they are not banned, and there is a legal route and license to own them.


Also further than just mere ownership is the legal use of a firearm. In the USA it is taken for granted that firearm ownership also allows for self defense with that item. Yet in several nations while ownership itself may be legal, storage laws require it be unloaded and locked up separately from ammunition. Some further require it be disassembled.
Storing an assembled, never mind a loaded firearm, is a violation of the law, a criminal action.
Some nations require government permission just to transport the firearm to a gun range beforehand.

In most of the world it is a severely restricted privilege to own some types of weapons for some limited purposes.
They have expensive time consuming restraints that limit ownership to certain income levels of society, like requirements to belong to X gun club for X number of months for license y, and possession of license y for x number of months before license z can be obtained.
In the USA it is the right of the people to own modern firearms under the Constitution. (Though that is being eroded.)
 
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