Newt on Guns.
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mljdeckard
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Every vote that is either abstained from or voted for the underdog out of principle is a vote Obama doesn't have to overcome.
orionengnr
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How's that working out for you?
I learned my lesson in '92, when I stood on principle and voted for Ross Perot, along with about 20% of the electorate. Where did that get us? Well, eight years of Bill Clinton.
Elections have consequences, and even if you refuse to decide, you still have made a choice. Or more accurately, you allow others to make the choice for you. And they will.
Everyone who "sat out" the last election because they didn't get the nominee they wanted helped elect BHO. Do you want to repeat that mistake, and subject this Country to Four More years of that?
If you are okay with that, I guess I have nothing left to say.
It is all well and good to be principled. But when you go "all or nothing", more often than not, you end up with nothing.
Newt is not "my guy". But if I don't get my way, I will not have a tantrum and sit in the corner.
I will vote for ABO (anybody but Obama), because that is what the situation demands.
YMMV, and God help us all.
DLEJones
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Listen, whomever goes against Obama, gets my vote. Congress and the House need overhauled too with people of the moral stature of Daniel Boone. We need to stop picking nits and start by getting those that would sign over our rights to the UN replaced with our votes for those that stand for our freedom.
For the Ron Paul enthusiasts, we've repeatedly asked in other threads that you respect the other members discussing OP's politician's 2A qualifications as they've respected the Ron Paul thread and not hijack the discussion. Your passion for your candidate does not warrant muddying the waters in this thread.
I've done some pruning to try to focus the thread on the original topic.
I've done some pruning to try to focus the thread on the original topic.
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langenc
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Dont get suckered by Newt!! He is one of several that will not return a questioneer about his 2A positions to gun groups. He also lauded the greatness of the 'infamous' Lautenberg Amendment that has taken thousands of individuals rights-without a trial and no way to reverse once in place. Be accused and your guns are gone--forever.
The following is from just above #29...and is a main reason why we are in the position we are--Except for once-I havre never voted for a president--just voted against someone and this time wontr be any different-itstrongly appears. Wish we could get the media out of elections!!
""Listen, whomever goes against Obama, gets my vote. Congress and the House need overhauled too with people of the moral stature of Daniel Boone. We need to stop picking nits and start by getting those that would sign over our rights to the UN replaced with our votes for those that stand for our freedom.""
HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE-OR NOT!!
Out of 330 million are these 8 or 10 the best we can do?? Shame on us!
The following is from just above #29...and is a main reason why we are in the position we are--Except for once-I havre never voted for a president--just voted against someone and this time wontr be any different-itstrongly appears. Wish we could get the media out of elections!!
""Listen, whomever goes against Obama, gets my vote. Congress and the House need overhauled too with people of the moral stature of Daniel Boone. We need to stop picking nits and start by getting those that would sign over our rights to the UN replaced with our votes for those that stand for our freedom.""
HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE-OR NOT!!
Out of 330 million are these 8 or 10 the best we can do?? Shame on us!
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henschman
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You are only thinking as far ahead as the next 4 years. I am thinking about the future of our party, and therefore our country. Continuing to vote for bad candidates when they are the party's nominee ensures that nothing ever changes with the party. In the long run it leads to our destruction, just the same as what happens if the other side wins. At some point you just have to say "NO" and refuse to vote for those who don't share your basic principles.
And like it or not, a lot of us Repubs WILL sit out the next election if we don't get a decent candidate. So the question is do YOU want to subject our country to another 4 years of BHO by supporting a candidate that will not win the general election due to the fact that a significant part of his own party's base wouldn't vote for him?
Dr.Mall Ninja
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I just feel that by not voting for the strongest RBKA supporter,you are in fact helping the anti movement. At this point in the primary go ahead and by all means vote for you think is best. When the general election arrives, staying home does not help RBKA at all.
JWF III
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After reading many of the posts in this thread, I'll stand by something I said several months ago... Get ready for 4 more years.:banghead:
As much as I hate to say it, I'd even vote for Slick Willie over what we now have. BHO, in a second (lame duck) term, is capable of doing anything. Both legal and illegal. If he does get 4 more years, we'll end up stepping way back in 2A rights. Even when he takes illegal actions to reach his agenda, it'd takes decades to straighten it out in court. (More F&F anyone?)
A vote is a lot like a gun. Not using your vote is a lot like standing by, watching a loved one being assalted, and not using you CCW to do something about it.
Wyman
As much as I hate to say it, I'd even vote for Slick Willie over what we now have. BHO, in a second (lame duck) term, is capable of doing anything. Both legal and illegal. If he does get 4 more years, we'll end up stepping way back in 2A rights. Even when he takes illegal actions to reach his agenda, it'd takes decades to straighten it out in court. (More F&F anyone?)
A vote is a lot like a gun. Not using your vote is a lot like standing by, watching a loved one being assalted, and not using you CCW to do something about it.
Wyman
Newt is only nominally pro gun, and only if it's convenient. Don't expect anything more.
Obama clearly doesn't like guns, but I don't think he hates them enough to do anything about it. Any anti gun moves would hurt the Democratic Party as a whole, and they can't really afford that.
Obama clearly doesn't like guns, but I don't think he hates them enough to do anything about it. Any anti gun moves would hurt the Democratic Party as a whole, and they can't really afford that.
Ash
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Unwilling to do anything? Fast and Furious was staged for the reason to add weight to new laws (in the short term, it was to aid in requiring Federal notification of multiple long-gun purchases as per the memo on CBS). This was perhaps one of those operations that Obama promised was "under the radar." Obama's ATF was willing to play with the lives of hundreds - causing many deaths so far - for the sake of undermining our rights.
Dr.Mall Ninja
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Kozak BHO wont care as much in his second term. He wont have to worry about his reelection and there is a chance that all our 08 fears will come true.
Quick Shot xMLx
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If Obummer wins in 2012 by the time he's done we'll be praying all he had done was reenact the Assault Weapons Ban. Get ready for Chicago style "common" sense gun laws.
Newt Gingrich is a political whore who will do whatever he thinks is best for himself.
Newt Gingrich is a political whore who will do whatever he thinks is best for himself.
Newt please
When this bubba first entered politics he called himslef a Rockfeller Republican.
After Nelson Rockfeller and I dont think he was talking about meeting his maker the way Nelson Rockfeller did. There are two professions that dont make good presidents lawyers and professors see Woodrow Wilson and Obama, Lincoln, FDR etc.
Now Newt has a long history of questionable judgment he has only changed his religion three times and his spouses about the same number of times. He is against lobbyist but took over a million dollars from Freddie Mac as a lobbyist. Sorry Newt dont care what you call it hoss you were a loobbyist. So to believe anything this punk says on 2A and gun control is highly suspect.
Newt would sell his wife, get a sex change operation and seize every firearm in this country if it meant getting elected prez. Its all about ego with Newt.
I would almost vote for the lawyer currently in the WH beofre I voted for lying, decietful egotistical scumbag like Newt. Give me Palin, Bachman or Perry over Newt anyday. One other issue with Newt is his age and ask him about his health! And Ron Paul is an isolationist fool who doesn't understand
National Security Policy, Foreign Policy and Monetary Policy. He would make a great ambassdor to Iran and maybe they will keep the nutjob for next decade or so.
BTW the way I hope when the good Lord call me to Heaven I go doing what Nelson Rockfeller was doing and at his age too.
When this bubba first entered politics he called himslef a Rockfeller Republican.
After Nelson Rockfeller and I dont think he was talking about meeting his maker the way Nelson Rockfeller did. There are two professions that dont make good presidents lawyers and professors see Woodrow Wilson and Obama, Lincoln, FDR etc.
Now Newt has a long history of questionable judgment he has only changed his religion three times and his spouses about the same number of times. He is against lobbyist but took over a million dollars from Freddie Mac as a lobbyist. Sorry Newt dont care what you call it hoss you were a loobbyist. So to believe anything this punk says on 2A and gun control is highly suspect.
Newt would sell his wife, get a sex change operation and seize every firearm in this country if it meant getting elected prez. Its all about ego with Newt.
I would almost vote for the lawyer currently in the WH beofre I voted for lying, decietful egotistical scumbag like Newt. Give me Palin, Bachman or Perry over Newt anyday. One other issue with Newt is his age and ask him about his health! And Ron Paul is an isolationist fool who doesn't understand
National Security Policy, Foreign Policy and Monetary Policy. He would make a great ambassdor to Iran and maybe they will keep the nutjob for next decade or so.
BTW the way I hope when the good Lord call me to Heaven I go doing what Nelson Rockfeller was doing and at his age too.
KodiakBeer
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Unless one of the Republican nominees steps in front of the MSNBC media bus, the choices are going to be Romney or Gingrich to run against Obama.
Newt is erratic on the issue, but Romney is firmly anti-gun.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think we're going to see another lesser-of-two-evils election. We should be used to that by now...
Newt is erratic on the issue, but Romney is firmly anti-gun.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think we're going to see another lesser-of-two-evils election. We should be used to that by now...
Cosmoline
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I do not feel secure voting for him with his record on gun control, particularly given his track record on other matters. By the time he was ousted, nobody trusted him.
borrowedtime69
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please not newt
i sincerly hope that newt doesnt get the nomination. i dont trust him to stay the coarse. he has sided with the clintons and with pelosi on different liberal causes. he came out and said he didnt know what he was thinking when he did that. if he does things like that without thinking, why would i want him in charge of my gun rights?? plus, he has other issues that make him less than palatable.
i sincerly hope that newt doesnt get the nomination. i dont trust him to stay the coarse. he has sided with the clintons and with pelosi on different liberal causes. he came out and said he didnt know what he was thinking when he did that. if he does things like that without thinking, why would i want him in charge of my gun rights?? plus, he has other issues that make him less than palatable.
razorback2003
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Newt is unpredictable. Barack is at least predictable, though I do not agree with him.
stonecutter2
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I have serious doubts anything of this magnitude would happen if Obama got reelected. The Chicago gun laws (and Illinois) have been and are being challenged.
To be quite honest, I'm doing my best to educate from within the Democratic party. I am registered Democrat, but I am not a party line voter. I vote based on candidate stances on several issues, their responsiveness to my communications and how they address my concerns, and of course based on how I "feel" about them.
I don't think it's worth a panic if Obama gets reelected. His 2008 election was a non-event, I suspect the same if a reelection occurs.
There are many things that can be admired about Newt as a thinker/speaker and historian.
I am with the crowd that does not trust him as far as our sovereign nation goes. I am getting more and more dissatisfied with any institution who sees Al-Qaeda behind every bush so our individual liberties can be taken from us.
I am not big on sanctified water boarding ( been there done that it is not nice and the results are poor at best; guy can be puking and crying for his momma and still lying) especially since the passage of S-1867.
Like many if you want the same old stuff, vote for the same old politicians, with their same old agenda that they spout for votes; great sound bites.
I am more concerned with the president who nominates the next supreme court justice and someone who understands and is willing to support the founders ideas of the Constitution.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2B7mBPmAE4ZcJ9KQw&sig2=TbGw2v3w06c93GR4107xww Newt's published positions......
Don’t redefine Constitution with no individual right to arms
Over the last 50 years the Supreme Court has become a permanent constitutional convention in which the whims of five appointed lawyers have rewritten the meaning of the Constitution. Under this new, all-powerful model of the Court--and by extension the trail-breaking 9th Circuit Court--the Constitution and the law can be redefined, unchecked, by federal judges.
Anyone who thinks various Supreme Court decisions are not adequately worrisome need only look at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to see how domination by secular Left-liberal judges will change America. It is hard to imagine that one court could be so out of step with the views of the vast majority of the American people. And it is unforgivable that this destructive pattern could have been going on for a generation without an effective challenge.
Newt could be a great candidate but he has so many things in his closet that will come to light if he is the nominee we will just have to see if the voting public can accept him over President Obama.
Iowa is going to be closer than many have been lead to expect.
I am with the crowd that does not trust him as far as our sovereign nation goes. I am getting more and more dissatisfied with any institution who sees Al-Qaeda behind every bush so our individual liberties can be taken from us.
I am not big on sanctified water boarding ( been there done that it is not nice and the results are poor at best; guy can be puking and crying for his momma and still lying) especially since the passage of S-1867.
Like many if you want the same old stuff, vote for the same old politicians, with their same old agenda that they spout for votes; great sound bites.
I am more concerned with the president who nominates the next supreme court justice and someone who understands and is willing to support the founders ideas of the Constitution.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...2B7mBPmAE4ZcJ9KQw&sig2=TbGw2v3w06c93GR4107xww Newt's published positions......
Don’t redefine Constitution with no individual right to arms
Over the last 50 years the Supreme Court has become a permanent constitutional convention in which the whims of five appointed lawyers have rewritten the meaning of the Constitution. Under this new, all-powerful model of the Court--and by extension the trail-breaking 9th Circuit Court--the Constitution and the law can be redefined, unchecked, by federal judges.
Anyone who thinks various Supreme Court decisions are not adequately worrisome need only look at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to see how domination by secular Left-liberal judges will change America. It is hard to imagine that one court could be so out of step with the views of the vast majority of the American people. And it is unforgivable that this destructive pattern could have been going on for a generation without an effective challenge.
Newt could be a great candidate but he has so many things in his closet that will come to light if he is the nominee we will just have to see if the voting public can accept him over President Obama.
Iowa is going to be closer than many have been lead to expect.
Dr.Mall Ninja
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What kind of judges does Obama like to appoint?
With a guy like Gingrich we will be getting more like Roberts and Alito. When defending the Constitution a pro RBKA supreme court is critical.
alsaqr
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Roberts, Alito and three other SCOTUS judges gave us a luke warm ruling on the Second Amendment; nothing more. Before the SCOTUS ruling you could not get a gun permit in DC. Good luck getting a carry permit in DC today.
SCOTUS recently denied cert in two Second Amendment cases.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/1128/Supreme-Court-declines-to-clarify-gun-rights-question
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/williams-v-maryland/
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essayons21
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Is there any politician for which this statement is not true? It's the nature of the beast.
Gone are the days of men being thrust into the presidency by popular acclaim. Nowadays, anyone who has the ego and the lust for power necessary to pursue the presidency should automatically be disqualified for the position.
Refusing to vote because you refuse to choose between the lesser of two evils is idealistic nonsense. A lame duck term with BHO could dismantle many of the 2A advances made in the past decade.
alsaqr
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Twice in my lifetime i have defended my family and my home with gunfire. i could care less that the pro-gun candidate is a Baptist preacher in the mold of John Brown or a Lesbian Wiccan whos had two abortions. The pro-gunner get my vote every time.
Given a choice between Gingrich and Obama i will write in a vote for Charles Manson.
Given a choice between Gingrich and Obama i will write in a vote for Charles Manson.
tnxdshooter
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Ha, your right, he is an immoral womanizer, pathological liar, horrible human being, etc. He is perfect for president. He has all those aforementioned traits we look for in our presidents.
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