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Night Sight's- In A Gunfight Useful Or Not?
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Mute
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Having been through 3 classes with low-light shooting involved, I'd say that at CQB distances, to about 15 yards, not much difference.
It's one of those things that it's better to have it and not need it, than vice versa, but as a non-leo, there are not too many instances I can think of where I'd be able to indentify a person (and identify them as a threat), but not have enough lighting to see my sights. I much rather have a flashlight. During the classes, when were did use flashlights, I had no more trouble picking up the non-tritium sights vs. those that had them.
Suffice it to say, I believe a good flashlight is a must have, especially as twilight approaches. I can probably do without the night sights, but I wouldn't toss them if I had them.
It's one of those things that it's better to have it and not need it, than vice versa, but as a non-leo, there are not too many instances I can think of where I'd be able to indentify a person (and identify them as a threat), but not have enough lighting to see my sights. I much rather have a flashlight. During the classes, when were did use flashlights, I had no more trouble picking up the non-tritium sights vs. those that had them.
Suffice it to say, I believe a good flashlight is a must have, especially as twilight approaches. I can probably do without the night sights, but I wouldn't toss them if I had them.
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Handy
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My one experience shooting in very dark conditions at an IDPA shoot leads me to believe that it is hard to hit even at seven yards if you don't know where the gun is pointing.
But, are you ever going to be anywhere that dark and need a CCW? Most cities are awful bright.
But, are you ever going to be anywhere that dark and need a CCW? Most cities are awful bright.
In most situations I imagine you would be point shooting, but for the longer shots (up to 15 yard) I can aim by silouetting the handgun in existing light. If there is not enough light to see your handgun then there's not enough light to see your target, so a no shoot situation exists. If the distance is greater than 15 yards then I'm looking for a safe retreat avenue.
The night sights may be benefical to some, but I can do without them.
The night sights may be benefical to some, but I can do without them.
Texas Bob
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Even if you "always" carry a flashlight, as I do, you will not have the time to get to it. Gunfights happen "fast", and more importantly at a time and place of someone else's choosing. People practice drawing from concealment using one hand or two, very seldom does anyone practice drawing gun and light, always assuming "both" hands are free. Any SHTF encounter will be very close range and quick, if you survive the first three seconds, then creating "distance" and adding to you "time" increases your survival odds. Here is when "nightsights" become advantagous. Try shooting while retreating in low light while dragging a downed buddy and you will see what I mean.
Cawdor
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Shmackey,
Great cartoon. However, sometimes it is correct to use an apostrophe to create a plural, as in "mind your p's and q's." Source: A Manual of Style, University of Chicago Press.
As for night sights, they can't hurt and may help.
Great cartoon. However, sometimes it is correct to use an apostrophe to create a plural, as in "mind your p's and q's." Source: A Manual of Style, University of Chicago Press.
As for night sights, they can't hurt and may help.
Cawdor,
I use and like Chicago as well. The flower guy didn't seem to have the time to get into acronyms and abbreviations, which is just as well; most of the time, they also shouldn't take apostrophes when pluralized.
I mean "apostrophe's." Wait, no.
I use and like Chicago as well. The flower guy didn't seem to have the time to get into acronyms and abbreviations, which is just as well; most of the time, they also shouldn't take apostrophes when pluralized.
I mean "apostrophe's." Wait, no.
Smoke
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jem375
Proper deployment of a flashlight allows you to use a modified two handed grip and still use the light.
pdmoderator.........do you shoot a handgun with both hands or just one?.....If you have a flashlight in one hand, are you going to drop the flashlight like most do, or shoot one-handed?.....at combat range you can see just as good as the perp can...
Proper deployment of a flashlight allows you to use a modified two handed grip and still use the light.
Andrew Wyatt
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*shrug* i was able to do it in my first night match and score pretty well when i was 11.
My thinking is that self defense is far more about not getting shot/stabbed/etc than it is about shooting goblins.
Using a flashlight when I think there are goblins around has as much appeal as wearing blaze orange with sewn in reflectors in the same situation would have. It is like putting a shoot me sign on.
I have spent a fair bit of time outside hiking at night, I have also worked 3rd shift far more than I ever wanted to. There are few places outside that I have found to be dark enough at night to need a flashlight for self defense shooting situation (the only place dark enough that comes to mind is wooded areas at night with at least some fog).
I also think most people have a false idea of how well they can ID a target at night using a flashlight that isn't flat and unobstructed. I have taken a surefire out at night in the woods, to attempt to ID animals I can hear. I know what types of critters are around, but you would be surprised how hard it can be to even find something with your light if the eyes aren't facing the light and there is any concealment available to break up the outline. And that is up close (ie under 7 yards).
Using a flashlight when I think there are goblins around has as much appeal as wearing blaze orange with sewn in reflectors in the same situation would have. It is like putting a shoot me sign on.
I have spent a fair bit of time outside hiking at night, I have also worked 3rd shift far more than I ever wanted to. There are few places outside that I have found to be dark enough at night to need a flashlight for self defense shooting situation (the only place dark enough that comes to mind is wooded areas at night with at least some fog).
I also think most people have a false idea of how well they can ID a target at night using a flashlight that isn't flat and unobstructed. I have taken a surefire out at night in the woods, to attempt to ID animals I can hear. I know what types of critters are around, but you would be surprised how hard it can be to even find something with your light if the eyes aren't facing the light and there is any concealment available to break up the outline. And that is up close (ie under 7 yards).
Andrew Wyatt
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It was a simunitons match.
JCM298
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Night sights
My Glock 26 had night sights. I bought it the day before a combination day/night qualification shoot. I fired a perfect score on both. The day shoot did not surprise me but the night shoot made an impression, especially at the 3 & 7 yard lines.
I traded the Glock and wish I could put night sights on my S&W 340,
John
My Glock 26 had night sights. I bought it the day before a combination day/night qualification shoot. I fired a perfect score on both. The day shoot did not surprise me but the night shoot made an impression, especially at the 3 & 7 yard lines.
I traded the Glock and wish I could put night sights on my S&W 340,
John
Smoke
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jem375:
after reading your comments on this thread and another similar thread, I have come to the following conclusions:
1. You haven't practiced much in low light situations.
2. You need to invest in a good gun school.
3. You will be added to my "Ignore list" in the near future.
after reading your comments on this thread and another similar thread, I have come to the following conclusions:
1. You haven't practiced much in low light situations.
2. You need to invest in a good gun school.
3. You will be added to my "Ignore list" in the near future.
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