No gun sign FAILS!
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kenjabroni
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HAHA
Love that sign. Accuracy is appreciated.
Love that sign. Accuracy is appreciated.
shep854
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Academy Sports has a sign that requests guns being brought in for repair, etc be unloaded and cased, but in the next line states that they respect local laws regarding personal carry.
Carl N. Brown
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How much door space is there to list everything that could be misused? Does failure to list something that could be used feloniously or recklessly actually make the owner of the premises liable for a criminal or reckless act, including accidents?
And why just guns?
How about anything else that can be used for mayhem? If someone tosses a portable heater in a swimming pool and the owner does not have a "No portable heaters allowed" sign, would that be grounds for a law suit?
In the Happy Land arson fire where 87 people died, there was no signage "No gasoline allowed". Did the owners get sued?
On fact, has any property owner been sued for a criminal act or accident caused by someone else bringing a gun onto their property with or without signage?
inclinebench
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But people do sue, and often win.
I've never understood that. If a gun is in it's holster it is relatively safe. If people have to handle their loaded firearms to disarm before entering a store/business I think that's more dangerous than leaving it right where it is on your person.
Carl N. Brown
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^ I had the same question, when I had to disarm to enter the superette to pay for gas (no carry because they had beer in the cooler for take-home consumption). Removing the gun from its holster to stash in the vehicle not only could unnecessarily alarm someone in the parking lot, but would leave the gun vulnerable to theft.
The "no gun" sign thing might make sense with regards to Open-Carry... But it doesn't make one whit of sense in terms of Concealed-Carry. If anything the sign should say "If you witness a criminal act on these premisis and you are cc'ing, please don't protect, defend or save us, just leave your gun holstered please".
Rail Driver
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Where I live, the signs don't have the force of law - That's what I take them to mean. Should something happen that threatens me or my family directly, however, I won't hesitate.
The gun establishments I go to generally have separate rules for carry guns or guns you're bringing in. One of the guys at the local-ish range said they basically don't care if it's cased, CCW, or open carry, but it better be in a safe position (basically, trigger guard covered and it's not pointing at anyone).
I personally am of the belief that, regardless of whether the sign is posted "to stop bad guys" (like most of us seem to think people post that sign for) or like Double said, that it's posted to prevent NDs (someone stupid enough to cause an ND probably didn't read the 4 rules, though, so they probably wouldn't read the sign), I would personally rather not be disarmed.
Mgkdrgn, I would personally have said "recommended" instead of "permited". But I love that sign.
I personally am of the belief that, regardless of whether the sign is posted "to stop bad guys" (like most of us seem to think people post that sign for) or like Double said, that it's posted to prevent NDs (someone stupid enough to cause an ND probably didn't read the 4 rules, though, so they probably wouldn't read the sign), I would personally rather not be disarmed.
Mgkdrgn, I would personally have said "recommended" instead of "permited". But I love that sign.
1911Tuner
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Don't know, Carl, but even if it has never happened doesn't meant that it won't. If somebody can sue and win...and win big...for spilling hot coffee in her lap while driving without a lid on the cup...they can pretty much sue and win for anything in this age of litigation.
Look at it like the warnings on electric hair dryers that state: "Using this product while sitting in the bath can result in electrocution."
Carl N. Brown
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^ It helped in the McDonalds coffee case that there were prior complaints that McDonalds kept their coffee twenty degrees hotter than regular coffee (less spoilage for McDonalds) and had previous complaints about the coffee being too hot to drink as served. There was abody of complaints, not just a hypothetical argument.
Life ruled by possible lawyer hypotheticals, not by actual events people face in real life ? Reminds me of something. Let me check my archives.
I never heard of posted "No guns signs" until licensed/permitted carry started becoming popular starting 1987 or so in Florida, 1996 or so in Tennessee, so as far as I am concerned, the signage is directed at legal carriers. Especially the Texas regulation 30.06 signs.
Life ruled by possible lawyer hypotheticals, not by actual events people face in real life ? Reminds me of something. Let me check my archives.
Crazy stuff, that science fiction.
I never heard of posted "No guns signs" until licensed/permitted carry started becoming popular starting 1987 or so in Florida, 1996 or so in Tennessee, so as far as I am concerned, the signage is directed at legal carriers. Especially the Texas regulation 30.06 signs.
1911Tuner
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I think, too that...the signs are there so that the gentle folk will feel safer spending their money in a "gun-Free" zone...never once considering that somebody who would commit and armed robbery would likely also disobey the posted rules.
But, the McDonald's coffee case is only one example of silly litigation that has netted large settlements for people doing stupid things. Evidence of that is no more clearly demonstrated that with Ruger's unpopular billboard warnings on their barrels and most other manufacturers' owners' manuals directing the buyer to never load the gun until they're ready to shoot it. You can about bet that somebody shot themselves with one of their guns, and sued them for not providing ample warning that they could hurt themselves with it.
But, the McDonald's coffee case is only one example of silly litigation that has netted large settlements for people doing stupid things. Evidence of that is no more clearly demonstrated that with Ruger's unpopular billboard warnings on their barrels and most other manufacturers' owners' manuals directing the buyer to never load the gun until they're ready to shoot it. You can about bet that somebody shot themselves with one of their guns, and sued them for not providing ample warning that they could hurt themselves with it.
oldbear
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Reaver, you should know as well as anyone, that only people willing to obey them respect signs or laws. I assume you are one of them.
"Police arrested 19-year-old Michael G. Thompson charging him with illegal possession of a gun inside a liquor permit premise, a third-degree felony. Thompson was one of the injured and still has a bullet in his hip.
Police also are seeking another man, 22-year-old Dominique Durr. He faces the identical charge as Thompson, who is his cousin. He also has a criminal history that would bar him from obtaining a concealed carry license.
Police said a gun recovered following the shooting was stolen. A detective said Thompson can be seen in a video from the bar surveillance camera holding a gun. Thompson also is facing a felony concealed weapons charge from an arrest during a traffic stop several weeks before."
It does not sound as if the two mentioned above are upstanding citizens and paragons of virtue.
"Police arrested 19-year-old Michael G. Thompson charging him with illegal possession of a gun inside a liquor permit premise, a third-degree felony. Thompson was one of the injured and still has a bullet in his hip.
Police also are seeking another man, 22-year-old Dominique Durr. He faces the identical charge as Thompson, who is his cousin. He also has a criminal history that would bar him from obtaining a concealed carry license.
Police said a gun recovered following the shooting was stolen. A detective said Thompson can be seen in a video from the bar surveillance camera holding a gun. Thompson also is facing a felony concealed weapons charge from an arrest during a traffic stop several weeks before."
It does not sound as if the two mentioned above are upstanding citizens and paragons of virtue.
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bigfatdave
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Carl N. Brown, that was one of the weaker episodes, but it does apply to our "overabundance" of lawyer types.
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