No Guns To MD from Bud's Gun Shop

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I tried a search, but didn't find and answer to this one. If there is one, and someone could point me towards it I'd appreciate it.

My question is this - has anyone ever gotten the reasoning behind Bud's not shipping ANY guns to MD from either Bud himself or someone who works there? I'm talking about an actual answer, not what people have heard, or were told by a friend, etc.

I'm honestly bewildered by the whole thing - I mean, they still ship guns and (some) accessories to other less gun-friendly states. What about MD warranted a total cold shoulder?

Thanks for any help ya'll could provide.
 
I have seen that in their terms on gunbroker too. My guess would be parts of DC are in MD and the lines are confusing. I used to live in MD myself and still don't know if I could legally ship a gun to Greenbelt or College Park even Columbia which is in Howard County but butts up to DC. Poor excuse but probably not worth the hassle.
 
That's what I don't understand. They have shipping terms for New York state, where they have specifically said that they will ship, just not to specific areas. Why isn't the deal the same with MD? It seems to me that if they were concerned with shipping to certain areas within a state, they'd handle it the same for any and all states where that is the issue.

And yes, you can ship a gun to Columbia or College Park. We are allowed guns here. D.C. is still about 45 minutes away, and thankfully hasn't infiltrated the rest of the state yet.
 
That's just the thing, it's clearly not because of the way they handle other states with equally unfriendly areas.

Nevermind, ya'll - I'll just email them in the morning and ask for myself. Thanks anyway though.
 
AIM used to be more accommodating to us MD customers. When I ordered my WASR, they simply removed the 30-round magazines and shipped the rifle to my FFL. Even gave me a little discount. Too bad they don't do that anymore.

As to private sellers, I guess many are just not inclined to take the risk.
 
No it doesn't, just adding what I do know. In your effort to get a real answer have you asked the vendors that have such a policy like buds since it seems like you already know who you want your answer from?
 
"...What about MD warranted a total cold shoulder?..." Maryland's restrictive firearms laws for one.
"no constitutional provision granting a “right to bear arms.”
"If under the age of 30, has been adjudicated delinquent by a juvenile court for an act that would be a disqualifying crime if committed by an adult."
"A person who is not a regulated firearms dealer may not sell, rent, transfer, or purchase any regulated firearm without going through a regulated firearms dealer."
"A person may not manufacture, sell or offer for sale a handgun manufactured after January 1, 1985, that is not included on the Handgun Roster of approved handguns."
"A regulated firearms dealer may not offer for sale or transfer any handgun manufactured on or before December 31, 2002, unless the handgun is offered for sale or transferred with an external safety lock."
"Any manufacturer that ships or transports a handgun to be sold, rented, or transferred in Maryland must include in the box with the handgun a separate sealed container holding a spent casing from that handgun. A handgun dealer must confirm compliance with this provision. A handgun dealer shall forward the sealed container holding a spent casing from the handgun that is subsequently sold or transferred to the state police."
"In no case, may the handgun be delivered before seven days even if the application is approved earlier."
You could call him and ask though.
 
I don't know about specifics from the rest of the country, but Maryland's gun laws are plentiful and complicated. My friend just bought a Sig P229 in MD. He paid, waited a week, state background check wasn't through yet, another day, showed up, NICS check, and some ridiculous barrel plug lock that must be bought from the State Police, must be sold with every gun, and the buyer MUST buy it from the dealer for $20, and it has to be there when the gun is sold later on. If I ever took my guns home to MD (never happen), pretty much all of them would fall into the MD AWB list, except my EG.22LR (thats Evil Gray .22LR).
Probably just too much hassle.
 
No, I haven't asked any other vendors, mainly because I'm not worried about their policies. I had considered making a few purchases from Bud's in the past, and because of that I'm specifically wondering what gives with their policy.
 
Sunray & Colin - Fellas, I know the laws. I'm a lifelong resident!

To clarify, I am specifically wondering if anyone has ever recieved an explanation directly from Bud or an employee of Bud as to the exact reasoning behind the refusal to sell to MD.

I realize why it might have happened, and the myriad laws that probably contributed, but PLEASE - I'm asking respectfully - if you don't have an answer straight from Bud or an employee of Bud's, save me the reading.

I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk, but I thought I was asking a fairly specific question in my original post. If nobody has the answer, I'm OK with that. But please, don't post with ideas or reasons why it might have happened - it's NOT what I'm looking for.
 
I actually meant have you asked any vendors with this policy including buds themselves. if you want the answer straight from the horses mouth, it seems like the place to start. ;)

I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk
Well thats the impression that i got since you mentioned it ;) A lot of us here will do a little work for posters and help them find the answers to something they're looking for if asked right. Good luck either way, we all need a cheap online gun source.
 
Email or call Derek. I talk to him a lot since I order a lot from them. I'm sure he knows the answer as I suspect many MD customers have asked.
 
I think I found the answer: "Shell Casing Provision"


http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51628

By Lori Montgomery and Katherine Shaver
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, December 29, 2000; Page B01

The makers of several popular handguns have halted shipments to Maryland in reaction to a first-in-the-nation safety law that requires manufacturers to create a "ballistic fingerprint" for every handgun
sold in the state.

Glock, Browning and a handful of other gunmakers say they are withholding gun shipments while they try to comply with the new law, which was passed this year and hailed as a major political victory
for Maryland Gov. Parris N. Glendening (D).

A growing number of states are considering requirements for ballistic fingerprints -- spent shell casings that are catalogued by state police and used to identify a gun's owner in the event the gun is used
to commit a crime. Maryland gun dealers and some state officials fear that until laws elsewhere are sorted out, the gunmakers will not change their manufacturing processes to satisfy the demands of
tiny Maryland, which accounts for just 2 percent of handgun sales nationally.

In the meantime, dealers say, Maryland gun owners are being denied access to legitimate firearms, a situation that could drag on for months.

"We have inadvertently created an unintended consequence of a de facto ban on some weapons from some manufacturers," said House Speaker Casper R. Taylor Jr. (D-Allegany), a key sponsor of the
gun safety measure, who has recently come under intense criticism from gun advocates in his rural Western Maryland district.

Gun buying has not slowed in the state, judging by the number of gun purchase applications filed with Maryland State Police. In October and November, 5,962 people applied to buy handguns in
Maryland, compared with 5,059 during that time in 1998, said state police spokesman Greg Shipley. (Gun purchase applications in Maryland were inordinately high last year -- 6,394 in October and
November -- in part because of widespread Y2K concerns, police said.)

Still, some dealers say the situation is seriously hurting business. Sanford Abrams, owner of Valley Guns in Baltimore and vice president of the Maryland Licensed Firearms Dealers Association, said
there are 3,000 handgun models that may be legally sold in Maryland. Since Oct. 1, he said, he has been unable to obtain about 65 percent of them. "I have a dozen special orders I can't fill, representing
$10,000 in December sales," Abrams said. "If it lasts the year, half the gun shops in Maryland are going to be closed."

This week, Taylor sent a letter asking Attorney General J. Joseph Curran Jr. (D) to reinterpret the law to make clear that gunmakers unwilling to supply shell casings may continue to ship their weapons
to Maryland. The casings for those guns could be created by alternate means, possibly at a state police testing range, Taylor proposed.

Yesterday, Curran responded in a letter, saying state police have authority "to resolve the issue of whether a dealer may sell a handgun when a manufacturer has neglected or disregarded its duty to
furnish a shell casing."

But, Curran wrote, the law clearly requires gunmakers to create the shell casings. Weapons shipped without them can be seized, officials in Curran's office said.

"Someone's got to comply with the law on casings. And the manufacturer should be doing it," Assistant Attorney General Robert Zarnoch said.

At issue is a law known as the Responsible Gun Safety Act. It was passed last spring after an explosive legislative battle that pitted Glendening and his supporters against powerful lawmakers who
oppose limits on gun ownership.

At the time, the fight focused on another aspect of the bill, which requires handguns sold in Maryland after January 2003 to be equipped with internal trigger locks. The so-called smart guns are
intended to protect children from accidental shootings.

The trigger-lock provision was also a national first, and its passage drew hearty congratulations from President Clinton, who attended the bill signing in Annapolis.

The ballistic fingerprint provision was less controversial. It requires gunmakers to ship a single shell casing with every handgun manufactured after Oct. 1 of this year. The dealers are required to send
the casing to state police along with the name of the buyer when the gun is sold. Police then enter that information -- the casing's distinct markings, the type of weapon it came from and the gun owner's
name -- into a database.

Many manufacturers have had no problem complying with the law. Since Oct. 1, state police have registered about 150 shell casings from 14 manufacturers -- "overwhelming evidence of gun
manufacturers' intentions to comply with the law," said state police spokesman Shipley.

"We haven't heard from anyone who has said, 'We'll never again ship a gun for sale in the state of Maryland,' " Shipley added.

However, he said, some gun manufacturers have told state police that they are delaying shipments to Maryland until they can devise a way to accommodate other states' demands for ballistic fingerprints
-- particularly New York, which has a new law taking effect March 1. States considering the use of ballistic fingerprints include California and Massachusetts, according to the National Rifle
Association.

One gunmaker taking the cautious approach is Browning, based in Morgan, Utah. "From a manufacturing standpoint, we have to make sure we adhere to the requirements set in each state," said Travis
Hall, the gunmaker's director of marketing. Maryland, for example, wants the casings shipped in small manila envelopes. "New York may want it another way. California may want it a third way. As
manufacturers, we'd like to make things as consistent as possible.

"We understand the laws, and we certainly are going to work hard to be in compliance," Hall said. "But we are a law-abiding company. And we're not going to ship a product if we're not in compliance."

Paul Jannuzzo, general counsel and vice president of Glock Inc. in Atlanta, said his company, too, has halted shipments to Maryland. But the gunmaker hopes to comply with the law and resume
Maryland sales soon, he said.

"Frankly, it may not be worth it" to serve such a small market, Jannuzzo said. "But the other side of the equation is that we can't let the Kennedy Townsends of the world decide whether we're going to
sell guns in the state," he said, referring to Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (D). "We can't succumb to that kind of pressure."
 
I can't answer the question either, but I'd suggest that with the likes of Mayor Boombrain of New York City and his supporters running around doing their private little sting operations to entrap dealers and distributors, Bud's may have decided that because of the complexity of laws in Maryland they simply don't want to take the risk. How are they supposed to keep up on what particular models of handguns and evil black guns are legal or not when the sands keeps shifting?

All of this is unfortunate for folks that live in that God forsaken state, but you should be able to understand when out-of-state dealers decide your business isn’t worth the risk.
 
98C5 - I will send them an email in a few. I do want to say though, the shell-casing issue is NOT what the problem is. That's been the law for more than a few years here, and we're still getting new Glocks, Brownings, and most all other types of guns. The manufacturers might not be overjoyed to send to our state, but they still do.

Old Fuff - I never said I had a problem with the policy. What I said, was that I was curious as to the actual reason BEHIND the policy. That's ALL I wanted, but somehow this thread turned into "let's all give our hypothesis on what the reason could be."

Sorry to be a smart-ass, but I've had to clarify the intent of this post a few times already, and it's getting frustrating because it's clearly explained to begin with.
 
To the 'shell casing' rule, add the 'approved handgun' rule.

Sounds easy to get screwed over trying to deal with anyone from the Peoples Democratic Republic of Maryland.
 
Then why do tons of dealers and manufacturers still do it?

Seriously, there are drawbacks to buying and selling guns here in Maryland, but believe it or not, we don't come close to other anti-friendly states. Simple as that.:banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
"Then why do tons of dealers and manufacturers still do it?"

Individual choice?

Remember that?
 
Individual choice?

Remember that?

Yes, I do. Do you remember that that has nothing at all to do with my original post?

If not, let me refresh you - I posted, asking specifically if anyone had heard, "from the horses mouth" as the saying goes, exactly what the reason was. I never said I disagreed with it, or that I had any sort of problem with the decision. I simply wanted to know if there had been an official word from anyone connected to Bud's concerning the reason.

So please don't get that way with me - I understand fully that they have the right to refuse to sell to whoever they want, for whatever reason they want, just like the manufacturer's do. I never contested that AT ALL. Everyone else here seem to be missing that point, and I'll admit, it's frustrating me since I have to kep explaining what I had thought was a clear and specific question.

It does bother me that they won't sell to MD, but NOWHERE did I say that they didn't have that right. Nowhere. I respect the decision even if I don't agree with it. So please re-read my original post in the future if clarification is needed.
 
Kingpin, chill man. Buds is not open until tomorrow. You posted this question yesterday. We are trying to give you an answer 'why' they do not sell to MD. No need to be nasty. Most likely it is what I posted. Many dealers will not ship to a state that expects insane regulations. Call them tomorrow and they will give you an answer. Until then, stop snapping at every poster. We are all supposed to be 'brothers' here.


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