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...When I'm charged with the safety of hundreds of students I would rather not have someone unknown to me carrying on school grounds...
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That's a nice platitude, but there's really nothing you or anyone else can do about it unless they are law abiding citizens. Not trusting law abiding citizens to not break the law just doesn't make much sense. Criminals are the ones who break the law, and your not going to stop them from carrying on school grounds. The fact is that if someone wants to carry on school grounds, there is nothing you can do about it. However, since there are such laws in place, if someone does decide to carry on school grounds, then they are probably up to no good, and the policy you support has made it all that much easier for them to prey upon their intended victims. Rules restricting law abiding citizens from carrying on school grounds don't make the schools safer, they just make it easier for people with bad intentions. Going around saying something to the effect of, "I don't want someone unknown to me carrying a concealed weapon" is just the same hysterical attitude that claims there will be "blood in the streets" whenever a state changes it's law to allow citizens the right to life through self defense. It is based on emotion, and IMHO a lack of self reliance or feelings of helplessness.
 
Did he get his pistol back??
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My guess is he will get it back but if Fla is like TN it will take a court order. Also unless someone footed his bill he is out of pocket for an attorney who was able to just get the charge dropped.
Even with the charge dropped his name is in the system as having been arrested. He will also probably want to have his record expunged and that too will involve some attorney fees.
 
Didn't mean to hijack the thread. Obviously the reporter had his rights violated. The cop screwed up. Yes my opinion is based on emotion. I don't necessarily agree with laws that schools have. I agree they don't make schools safer. I write my congressman weekly about these issues. I'm passionate about my job and sometimes there are some feelings of helplessness.
 
I currently own a G19, G17, CW9, S&W 686P..Have owned G30,G36 but prefer 9mm. I can't legally carry on school property. I can legally have a weapon in my vehicle especially with a concealed carry permit. My situation is unique in some way because I work in a rural school setting. I know who lives in the community and who doesn't. I am the security officer for the school. I have had my life threatened by a student but of course it would be illegal for me to carry on the job...........
 
Poor Richard: I appreciate that. The internet isn't always the best place to have a discussion. I do appreciate your civility.
 
TommyJ said:
Poor Richard: I appreciate that. The internet isn't always the best place to have a discussion. I do appreciate your civility.
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Honorable men can disagree honorably.

Now, we should let this thread get BOT.
 
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The laws get kind of cloudy when it concerns school and school ground and the area around schools. Again, I agree the arrest was a mistake. As an educator I would rather have the cop make the mistake outside the school. Had the reporter gone on to school grounds he would have violated the law in most states.
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No, the laws don't get "kind of cloudy." The laws are clear, except when people try to read into them something other than what they say.

Yes, IF this reporter gone onto school grounds he would have violated the law. But ... he did NOT go onto school grounds, and therefore he did not violate the law.

I don't see any clouds whatsoever, and apparently the assistant state's attorney didn't, either.

I find it disturbing that, while in later posts you said you don't favor false arrest, in your opening post you wrote, "As an educator I would rather have the cop make the mistake outside the school." To me that sounds like you think an officer should go ahead and make bogus arrests beyond the limits of school property.
 
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... However, if the reporter "lost it" and shot up the school or ended up in a gun fight with those who had threatened him what would we be saying about the cop then?
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He didn't lose it and there was no gun fight so your argument is moot!How would you feel if the cop had shot him because he thought the law was being violated and a gun was involved, this was more of a true possibility.

The laws get kind of cloudy when it concerns school and school ground and the area around schools.
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Not to the person that understand English and reads the laws, this is mandatory for a person obtaining a concealed permit!

Again, I agree the arrest was a mistake. As an educator I would rather have the cop make the mistake outside the school.
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I don't want a cop making these kinds of mistakes period! It was not a mistake, it was purely a matter of the cop not knowing the laws nor applying them properly

Had the reporter gone on to school grounds he would have violated the law in most states.
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He didn't go onto school grounds because he apparently knew the law and was following the law!

As an educator I suppose your one of those 0 tolerance (censored) that suspends kids for drawing pictures, having fired shotgun hulls in their car or a swiss army tool in their vehicle.
 
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Boys, Keep The Gloves UP

As an educator I suppose your one of those 0 tolerance (censored) that suspends kids for drawing pictures, having fired shotgun hulls in their car or a swiss army tool in their vehicle.
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This is what's called a personal attack, and we don't do that here.

Argue the logic.

Argue the premise.

Argue the conclusion.

Leave the personal stuff out of it.
 
If I knew someone was legally carrying that wouldn't be a problem. I just said "carrying." I guess I speak out of frustration, that I would welcome the opportunity to carry in my job. I'm not anti at all. I just posed a what if and got jumped on pretty soundly. I take my job seriously and protecting students is part of it.
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I don't know that LAC carrying guns inside of schools would make the school safer or not, but it almost certainly would not make it less safe.

I am pretty sure there are plenty of people I would prefer not carry guns in schools.

As a bureaucrat, it is much easier and safer to just make a "no guns" rule, rather than make some kind of judgment call that might come into question later on.
 
... However, if the reporter "lost it" and shot up the school or ended up in a gun fight with those who had threatened him what would we be saying about the cop then?
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You're conveniently forgetting that he had a permit to carry that gun. Statistically, that makes it more likely that one of the cops would "lose it" or otherwise get in a gunfight and shoot the place up.
 
TommyJ,

Welcome to THR. Your first encounter was not as friendly as it could have been. This is the most civilized forum that I frequent, but debates can still be quite heated. If you state an opinion, expect to be challenged. OTOH, if you ever have a firearms question, this is the place to ask the question. You will not find a more knowledgable group of men and women.

New members are welcome and appreciated, and I hope to see more posts from you in the future.
 
I don't know what the laws are in Texas, but on at least a dozen occasions I picked up my grandchilden before they were old enough to drive, and on several occasons I went inside the school, usually to drop off lunch money they had forgotten at home.The only place where there is a no weapons sign is the football stadium and I obeyed their rules then, since they had a metal detector!Hopefully the statute of limitations has run out as it has been almost five years.I know none of you would turn me in, as I currently supplement my retirement income as a part-time bounty hunter and I am quite good at tracking people down!
 
TommyJ - what year of school is your son in? My daughter graduated
from WSU bout 7 or 8 years ago. She is now an ENglish
HS teacher in SPokane. SHe went through one lock down
or sort of, they evac'd because the kid that brought a gun to school
was holled up and isolated. He obviously had issues
and ended up Suicide by Cop. I wish I could get her
and son-in-law to take a course on firearms. NPR had a short
piece on a female teacher in Oregon who was contesting
the law, she has a CCW permit and wants to have it to
defend herself and protect her class in case of SHTF P

I retired from WSU 2 1/2 years ago - my shooting partner
for range sessions is the guy I referred to in that
he reviews all the rules and policies at WSU. I know
several of the WSU and city LEOs. softball in the summer
etc.

Welcome
 
BlindJustice My youngest son is a sophomore at Wazzu. Nice to have a coug in the family. Don't know how to get someone to take a firearm class. My wife shudders when I walk through the house on the way to the garage to clean my handguns. She shot a shotgun once, got knocked on her butt and it's been down hill ever since. I appreciate the welcome. TJ
 
Tommy welcome to thr....sorry about the ganging up

I was about to join the fray, but this time I actually read the whole thread.
Your comments and the ones countering it have become a sub topic.
My only comment is that Utah has ccw on campus and it hasn't been a problem.

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There were a few things that bugged me about this case,1 it was inferred by the news that the reporter may be fired.
2 A big deal was made and afaik the reporter was facing a charge on a made up law about "having a un holstered gun" even though he had thunderwear on and that is a holster, FL law allows you to drop a gun in your pocket if you have a ccw.
I want the news and the cop to address this fake charge
3 can some one post the phone number of the police dept so I can call and say neeener neener?:evil::neener::evil::neener:
 
I don't know what the laws are in Texas, but on at least a dozen occasions I picked up my grandchilden before they were old enough to drive, and on several occasons I went inside the school, usually to drop off lunch money they had forgotten at home.The only place where there is a no weapons sign is the football stadium and I obeyed their rules then, since they had a metal detector!
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As a Texas CHL holder, I can tell you that it is illegal to CCW on any school premises. It is also illegal at all school events and all professional sporting events. BTW, in Texas, premises means buildings only. School parking lots are exempt, as is public property surrounding the school.
 
TommyJ

Had the reporter gone on to school grounds he would have violated the law in most states.
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:banghead:

If you want to start aresting people for what they could do then we'll all end up in prison. The fact is he did NOT and should never been arrested:fire:
 
"If you want to start aresting people for what they could do then we'll all end up in prison. The fact is he did NOT and should never been arrested"

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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