No wonder the Repubs can't win.

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This is a question from the RNC's survey:

Some Democrats want to cancel the appropriations to fund the Secure Fence Act of 2005, which authorizes the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing along our southern border. Do you favor or oppose improving our border infrastructure?

Agree
Disagree
No Opinion

Can't the RNC afford a literate proof-reader? :confused:

I disagree with the first part; agree with the second.
 
I live on part of the U.S./Mexican Border in Arizona. While it may be well intended, building a fence won't work. Much of the country is too rugged, and/or so isolated that any fence would be easy to breech. Unfortunately this isn't the answer. :uhoh:
 
live on part of the U.S./Mexican Border in Arizona. While it may be well intended, building a fence won't work. Much of the country is too rugged, and/or so isolated that any fence would be easy to breech. Unfortunately this isn't the answer.
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Why? Just put sheriff Joe in charge of it. He added electrical fencing to tent city a while back. :D


But to the OP, that is funny.
 
I live on part of the U.S./Mexican Border in Arizona. While it may be well intended, building a fence won't work. Much of the country is too rugged, and/or so isolated that any fence would be easy to breech. Unfortunately this isn't the answer.
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I hunt in those rugged areas of AZ and I totally agree a fence is a ludicrous way to try and stop illegal immigration. The only thing to do is to get businesses to STOP hiring illegal workers and to stop offering aid and assistance to illegal immigrant mothers who have their children here. Of course on one of my more silly days I would suggest 5 mile deep minefield.
 
I used to work on the border in Arizona as a LEO and you could duplicate the Great Wall of China and it wouldn't have much effect on illegal aliens and smuggling. If you build a fence in an area that's 50 miles from nowhere Illegals and smugglers will either tear it down or go over it, All this hype about a border fence is eye wash.
 
GRIZ22 said:
I used to work on the border in Arizona as a LEO and you could duplicate the Great Wall of China and it wouldn't have much effect on illegal aliens and smuggling. If you build a fence in an area that's 50 miles from nowhere Illegals and smugglers will either tear it down or go over it, All this hype about a border fence is eye wash.
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I grew up in Arizona, though not near the border. But there's a lot of flat territory there. And while we're mentioning the Great Wall, it's worth noting that it runs through some pretty rugged country too. Build it about 20 feet thick and 50 feet high, construct it well (maybe something like a cinder-block and reinforced concrete shell, with earth inside), add guard towers every couple hundred yards or so, and it'd stop illegal entry pretty well. Of course it'd cost a fortune too...

(A rough estimate... the US/Mexico border is 1,951 miles long, so you'd need 17,169 guard towers if you had one every 200 yards. With 2 people per tower, that's ~34,000 border patrol agents required to man the wall for each shift, or about 100,000 total. Wikipedia indicates the border patrol has ~11,000 employees total. The National Guard could probably do it.)
 
Feh.. I got the same survey in the email today as well. Yeah, pretty much every question is along the lines of "have Democrats stopped beating their wives?" (Though in all fairness, the one my dad gets from the DNC is pretty much exactly the same that way).

Also, I don't think the GOP survey even mentioned RKBA now that I think about it. So the survey questions themselves... bunk and useless. :barf:

However, there were a few text entry fields about "what do people in your area think is important" with a nice "Other" option and very inviting text field... :)

-K
 
Kaylee wrote:
So the survey questions themselves... bunk and useless.
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Agree. Does not matter which party, it seems they just use the same survey and some get a donkey, and some get a elephant for a logo.

THR should write a survey and send it to elected folks in Washington D.C. to fill out and let us see the results.

I know THR could write a better survey with better questions. :)
 
(A rough estimate... the US/Mexico border is 1,951 miles long, so you'd need 17,169 guard towers if you had one every 200 yards. With 2 people per tower, that's ~34,000 border patrol agents required to man the wall for each shift, or about 100,000 total. Wikipedia indicates the border patrol has ~11,000 employees total. The National Guard could probably do it.)
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Since I'll assume that National Guardsmen can accurately shoot out to at least 500 yards, put the towers 1000 yards apart. Now you only need about 7000 people.
 
A fence by itself simply won't help, as said they will jsut cut through it. Hell we don't even need a wall guard towers with marksmen inside could do the job just fine.

Every five hundred yards place a guard tower and make a base camp that services say, ten or twenty miles of border, with one or two week long deployments to the base camp. Two men in the tower per shift with both a sniper rifle and something of the full auto flavor for larger groups. And more men availible at base camp for back up. Anyone that crosses the border gets a spot light and told to stop. They don't stop? Shoot them, they are invading the United States. They stop? Make them turn around.
 
They don't have to be within shooting distance of each other, just within sight of each other. Call it every mile or so.
 
A fence is only part of the means and not the entirely of the ends. A fence exists to slow down intruders so that responders can have time to react and deal with them. It is only part of an entire package of:
  1. Fencing
  2. Automated & networked sensors
  3. Comms
  4. Border guards
  5. New concepts of operations that optimize the use of equipment in the environment
  6. Training our border folks to use the new equip & conops.

The Israelis built an effective fence around the entirety of Gaza. It has been quite effective at keeping humans on the correct side. It does not stop mortar rounds, however.

They are currently building a fence to seal off the West Bank. That fence goes through some mighty rough places (AKA, "wilderness" in your KJV) comparable to our desert SW. The WB fence has been effective in the places it is complete. The dollar expenditure by Israel is greater (relative to our economies & populations) than a similar fence built by the USA along our southern border.

IMO, I would erect an Israeli-style fence along every inch of the border, plant sensors on towers (RF & EOIR), on the ground (sound, siesmic, magnetic, other) and have responders patrol (ground & some air) the heck out the border. All of which is properly networked and the information fused for consumption by the users/responders.

Other countries are installing such systems. Why aren't we?
 
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