CraigC
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This isn't going to apply to the Henry, they have pistol-spec barrels with a 1-20" twist.
NOE Cast Bullets in Henry .44 Mag Rifles
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buck460XVR
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Well.........good for them.
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Bearded Phil
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I was talking about when closing the lever to feed the cartridge into the chamber.
I found when my .357 WFN were loaded to 1.58" every now and then when the next cartridge would come out of the tube onto the lifter and as I tried to close it the front would get jammed on the mag tube opening in the receiver and really bind things up. Seating down to 1.575" eliminated the issue, and since the .357 and .44 are really close in spec as far as max OAL, just different caliber I thought it could potentially be an issue.
So the nose length of any mould that I choose would be important to look at if the same thing can happen with .44 mag.
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Bearded Phil
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I know Henry lists 1:20 twist rate but where did you hear they use revolver barrel specs?
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Bearded Phil
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What's the nose length on those MP Hammers?
Soonerpesek
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If that was an attempted stab at me, if you actually read my post I did not "grind" on the feed ramp.
As a matter of fact, I didn't touch the ramp, I simply filed/polished around the well of the mag tube to eliminate any rough spots that were causing a cartridge to jam against the side wall of the well when loading a cartridge thru the loading gate...
And, I did "search" out the problem, and found a simple yet fruitful solution......
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Bearded Phil
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Whoa, now. Everybody be cool. We just talkin' 'bout .44 mag here.
AJC1
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It wasn't, it was me reflecting on troubleshooting my 1911 and feeding the 200 swc. I found a magazine that had good geometry. Why do you get flustered so easy???????
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Bearded Phil
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Remember, we're gonna be like Fonzie. And what's Fonzie like? He's cool. That's right,
CraigC
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Rifle = 1-30" to 1-38" twist.
Pistol = 1-20" twist.
Why would they source pistol twist barrels but an overspec bore diameter? They wouldn't.
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Bearded Phil
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Also:
"Source pistol twist barrels"
Do you mean rifling buttons? Because Henry makes their own barrels, they don't source them from another manufacturer.
"Source pistol twist barrels"
Do you mean rifling buttons? Because Henry makes their own barrels, they don't source them from another manufacturer.
CraigC
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Bearded Phil
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I'm familiar with the SAAMI drawings for .44 mag pistol and .44 mag rifle.
Henry uses 12 groove rifling in their .44 mag rifles. If your theory were to hold true wouldn't Henry have 6 groove rifling on their .44 mag barrels?
CraigC
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Marlin made six groove barrels with the 1-38" twist, what does that prove?
They do have six groove barrels. When they changed from the stupid 1-38" twist to the 1-20", they went from 12 to 6 groove barrels.
Do you just want things to be more difficult? Or do you just want to win an argument?
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Bearded Phil
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It proves that your assertion that because the twist is 1:20 that they used .429" groove buttons is misguided and what I stated earlier. Purely a guess.
Ahem.
Nobody here set out to create or win an argument except possibly you. I asked where you got your information, you didn't have any source and then were condescending when I called it out as speculation.
CraigC
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Obviously an older slow twist rifle.It proves that your assertion that because the twist is 1:20 that they used .429" groove buttons is misguided and what I stated earlier. Purely a guess.
Ahem.
Nobody here set out to create or win an argument except possibly you. I asked where you got your information, you didn't have any source and then were condescending when I called it out as speculation.
Misguided my posterior orifice.
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Bearded Phil
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This rifle's manufacturing tag says May 2024. I just measured the twist rate with the patch and rod technique, it's 1:20.
CraigC
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Slug the barrel and report back. All else is just background noise.
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Bearded Phil
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It's "background noise" to you because the measurable, quantifiable evidence I've provided doesn't fit your theory.
To hammer the last nail in the coffin, as requested, here's a cerrosafe cast of the muzzle.
41 Mag
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Best as I can square up on them right at .415", and the Lee is right at .310". So there is a bit of difference.
buck460XVR
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For what it is worth, I have contacted Henry and asked what their bore/groove dimensions are in their .44 mag rifles. Only reply I have gotten back so far, says it may take a day or so for a response because of high demand. I do not understand the reasoning behind the whole difference in .44 mag only. I assume, at one time there was some kind of legitimate reason, but with so many of us that have .44 revolvers along with .44 rifles, it just seems counterproductive if one wants to use lead. When I got my 77/44, the instruction manual I got with it recommended against the use of lead projectiles, "because of inaccuracy". I often wondered of this had to do with the bore size difference. Never saw anything like that when I got my Marlin lever tho.
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.....just got a response back from Henry. Here it is, straight from the Horse's mouth.
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Care package from @Shooterbob showed up today:
55ea NOE 432-240-WFN-CF5 in the raw plus gas checks to put them together. Coating them with Hitek Brick Red already, first coat drying now and will get baked a little later tonight.
Thanks again, Bob!
55ea NOE 432-240-WFN-CF5 in the raw plus gas checks to put them together. Coating them with Hitek Brick Red already, first coat drying now and will get baked a little later tonight.
Thanks again, Bob!
