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I'm a new reloader. My question is. Am I better off getting a "kit" reloading press with all the accessories or am I better off getting the individual pieces from different vendors?

Second question. What are the most common mistakes new reloaders make?

Thanks in advance.
 
the biggest mistake new loaders make is not getting at least one good manual,,and reading it a few times before attempting to reload
 
Look in the sticky at the top of the forum "Reloading Library of Wisdom".

It should answer lots of your questions and give you more.

A good manual is a good place to start. Lyman #49 is frequently recommended. Also, "ABCs of Reloading" is a good instructional book. You may be able to borrow this from your local library.
 
I actually received the ABC's book yesterday. I did know enough to read up first.

I'll be reloading for a .41mag Blackhawk. I read soo many horror stories regarding handloads. I really want to do this but have been putting it off thinking is it really worth it?
 
Welcome to the forum and thanks for asking our advice.

Considering the price of 41 Magnum ammunition, I would have thought you would have done what I did with my first firearm. I bought the gun, press, dies, manuals and all accessories at the same time. I knew I could not afford to buy the gun and shoot it, both if I didn't reload. Ammo cost was about one-quarter of factory ammo in 1975. That ratio hasn't changed much in the past 37 years, either.

As a general rule, every kit offered has stuff you don't need and lacks things you do. Remember, they are put together by someone who is not you. While some are actually experts at loading (some are only experts at marketing), their preferences and tastes are different than yours and, with the best intentions, they do not know what your needs are.

If you assemble your own kit of the bits and pieces you have thought about and chosen, you will have invested a great deal of time and thought into the selection process. This sword has two edges. It is a lot more work than just buying a kit (which, in truth, will enable you to start loading sooner). However, that extra work pays dividends in two ways. You will have learned more about the loading process while you studied your choices and therefore be less likely to make mistakes (in loading -ouch-flesh, or in shopping ouch-$).

I will post some links when I get home later tonight. In the meantime, read your manual and cfullgraf's suggested link.

Lost Sheep
 
If you're just going to reload for one caliber, then I'd say you could piece togethet what you need.

If you are going to load for many calibers, especially pistol and rifle, a kit may be more your style.
 
10 Advices for the novice handloader

I have thought of a few things I think are useful for handloaders to know or to consider which seem to be almost universal, so I put together this list.

So much is a matter of personal taste and circumstance, though. So, all advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

For comparison purposes, I load for handguns (44 Mag, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 9mm, 357 Mag, 480 Ruger) a couple hundred per sitting and go through 100 to 400 centerfire rounds per month. I could easily do a lot more with my press setup, but I am frugal with components, especially with the larger bullets, which are expensive. I don't cast....yet.

So much is a matter of personal taste. All advice carries this caveat, "your mileage may vary".

I put together an arbitrary list that I think is illuminating. I call them my Ten Advices.

When I bought my first gun (.357 Magnum Dan Wesson revolver), I bought, at the same time, a reloading setup because I knew I could not afford to shoot if I did not reload my own ammo. It cost me about 1/4 of factory ammo per round and paid for itself pretty quickly. I did not use a loading bench at all. I just mounted the press (RCBS Jr, then, not long after, an RCBS Rockchucker which wsa overkill, but I had a chance to trade up and took it) on a 2 x 6 plank long enough to wedge into the drawer of an end table. Good leverage meant the table did not lift or rock. I still use the same plank, but not it is mounted in a Black & Decker folding workbench. A loading bench "bolted to the center of the earth" would be more stable, but I do not feel deprived without it.

Since those days, I tried other equipment and have settled on the Lee Classic Turret as the best turret press made, bar none (as long as you don't need more than 4 die stations) because it is the ONLY turret press that auto-indexes. That means loading in batch mode or in continuous mode is equally convenient.


Now, here are my Ten Advices.

Advice #1 I found "The ABC's of Reloading" to be a very good reference. Short on data, yes, but I found it full of knowledge and understanding of the process. Check out offereings in your local library. Dated, perhaps, but you can taste-test their writing style. Richard Lee's book "Modern Reloading" has a lot of food for thought, and does discuss the reasoning behind his opinions (unlike many manuals, and postings). Whether right or wrong, the issues merit thought, which that book initiates. It is not a simple book, though and you will find it provocative reading for many years.

Read as many manuals as you can, for the discussion of the how-to steps. What one manual covers thinly, another will cover well. As far as load data in older manuals, the powder manufacturers and bullet manufacturers may have better information and their web sites are probably more up to date. But pay attention to what the ammunition was test-fired from. (regular firearm vs a sealed-breech pressure test barrel, for example)

The reason you want more than one or two is that you want to read differing authors/editors writing styles and find ones that "speak" to you. You also get better coverage of the subject; one author or editor may cover parts of the subject more thoroughly than the others.

Only after you know the steps can you look at the contents of a reloading kit and know what parts you will use and what parts the kits lack.

The public library should have manuals you can read, then decide which ones you want to buy.

There are instructional videos now that did not exist in the '70s when I started.


Load mid-range or slightly light at first so overpressures are not concerns. Just concentrate on getting the loading steps right and being VERY VERY consistent (charge weight, crimp strength, seating depth, primer seating force, all that)

You will probably spill powder or drop a primer eventually, so consider what you have for floor covering when you pick your reloading room. (Note: my worktable is portable, a folding workbench with two presses mounted on a board that I simply clamp into place. One press has a large primer feed, the other a small primer feed.)



Advice #2 Almost every manufacturer of loading equipment makes good stuff; if they didn't, they would lose reputation fast and disappear from the marketplace. Better equipment costs more generally. Cast aluminum is lighter and less expensive. Cast iron lasts practically forever. Lee makes good equipment, but is generally considered the "economy" equipment maker, though some of their stuff is considered preferable to more expensive makes. Just think about what you buy.

Almost every manufacturer makes a kit that contains everything you need to do reloading (except dies and the consumables). A decent way to get started without too much prior experience. Eventually most reloaders wind up replacing most of the components of the kit as their personal taste develops, but you will have gotten started, at least..

Advice #3 Learn on a single stage press or a turret press. Do not learn on a progressive press. Too many things happening at the same time are hard to keep track of.

Advice #4 Tungsten Carbide dies for your straight-walled cartridge cases. They do not require lubrication which will save you time. Carbide expander button for your bottlenecked cases. Keeps lube out of the inside of the cases.

Advice #5 Find a mentor. There is no substitute for someone watching you load a few cartridges and critiquing your technigue BEFORE you develop bad habits or make a dangerous mistake. (A mistake that might not have consequences right away, but maybe only after you have escaped trouble a hundred times until one day you get bit, for instance having case lube on your fingers when you handle primers 99 times, no problem because primers are coated with a sealant, but the hundredth primer may not be perfectly sealed and now winds up "dead")

I started loading with the guy who sold me my press watching over my shoulder as I loaded my first 6 rounds to make sure I did not blow myself up, load a powderless cartridge or set off a primer in the press. There is nothing like a tutor, or better yet, a mentor. A longer mentoring period might have changed my reloading style, but I learned a lot in those first 6 rounds, as he explained each step. Then I educated myself after that.

After you have been mentored, mentor someone else. Not necessarily in loading or the shooting sports, but in SOMETHING in which you are enthusiastic and qualified. Just give back to the community.

Advice #6 Wear eye protection, especially when seating primers

Advice #7 Don't pinch your fingers in your press.

Advice #8 Read previous threads on reloading, here are a couple I recommend.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/view...fbd5ae1f754eec
The second one is a thread started by a new recruit to reloading which the moderators thought highly enough of to make it "sticky" so it stays on the top of the list of threads.

Advice #9 When you buy the very best, it hurts only once, in the wallet. When you buy cheap (too cheap) it hurts every time you use the gear. The trick is to buy good enough (on the scale between high quality and low price) to keep you happy without overpaying.

Advice #10 Verify for yourself everything you learn. Believe only half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for everything you find on the internet (with the possible exception of the actual web sites of the bullet and powder manufacturers). This advice applies to my message as much as anything else and especially to personal load recipes. Hare-brained reloaders might have dangerous habits and even an honest typographical error could be deadly.

Good luck. Always wear eye protection, especially when working with primers and don't pinch your fingers in your press.

Lost Sheep

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a few more web sites

thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230171

thehighroad.org//showthread.php?t=238214

rugerforum.net/reloading/29385-budget-beginning-bench-you-will-never-outgrow-novice-handloader.html

thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430391
(posts are #11 and #13)


rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13543

Minimalist minimal (the seventh post down)
rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=107332

thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439810
 
Some links you will find appropriate to your situation.

Leafybug started thread not long ago asking an almost identical question.
I'm a new reloader. My question is. Am I better off getting a "kit" reloading press with all the accessories or am I better off getting the individual pieces from different vendors?

Second question. What are the most common mistakes new reloaders make?

Thanks in advance.
What are the common mistakes for novices? Not researching enough, probably. If you limit the focus to the mechanical processes, probably trying to go too fast. (But I am guessing here.) If you try push performance envelopes before you have the mechanical steps down to ingrained motor skills, you may pay attention to the "how" more than the "why" and slow your learning progress. If you pay attention to the "how" more than the "how much", you may prematurely halt your entire shooting career.

Be careful. Always. All ways. The devil is in the details. Also, the savior is in the details.

In this thread, I pulled out several "articles" I have written as feed stock for new reloaders/handloaders. Three of the four are such. Post #29, I freestyled.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=667370

Post #26 10 Advices for the Novice Handloader

Post #28 Considering taking up reloading?

Post #29 Was written specifically for the thread and discusses how to choose the type of press you want.

Post #30 To Kit or Not to Kit.

The entire thread is full of useful advice and insight between the lines.

Go get a large mug of whatever you sip while you read and think and enjoy!

Lost Sheep
 
I really want to do this but have been putting it off thinking is it really worth it?

Yes, it is ABSOLUTELY worth it.
Not only will your gun thank you for much better than factory ammo, but eventually your wallet will thank you as well.

By the way, welcome to THR.
 
Second question. What are the most common mistakes new reloaders make?

Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure you can call this the most common mistake but it's done often. For one reason or another, mostly fear, a new reloader will use less powder than recommended as the "minimum" charge weight and then wonder why the ammo is less than good. It's never a good idea to go below the minimum charge weight and it can be dangerous.
 
To answer your question - I would go with a kit, but be aware that you will need to buy more stuff.

Read as much as possible. Manuals (yes, plural), articles, this forum - everything you can find. Then do it again.
 
If you know a reloader near you, the hands on and "see what I use" is hard to top. Most of us will welcome another person into the fold and want everybody to stay safe. I was fortunate and learned from my grandfather who was doing it before I was born.:) A couple hours and all the questions asked will top about 2 weeks of reading IMHO.
 
First of all I want to thank you all for your time.

Lost Sheep...........You rock dude! :D
Your reply took alot of time and effort. I can't thank you enough.

All you guys are awesome for taking the time to help me. Thank you!

I think the best advice I've read is making a new friend that knows the inns and outs of reloading and letting him help me. There are tons of guys at my range that reload and would help me I'm sure if I asked.

As an observation....When I opened my new book "The ABC's of Reloading" there's a picture of the author standing there holding a rifle. Did anyone else notice that both his hands are missing? :what: Is this a guy I should be taking reloading advice from? :uhoh:
 
Is this a guy I should be taking reloading advice from?

I find it interesting that a guy who lost both his hands, at age 15, in an accident with home-made explosives would go on to get a college degree, continue to pursue his interest in firearms and reloading and eventually write a book about it.

As difficult as reloading is with fully-functional hands, I can't imagine doing it with prosthetics. Especially early prosthetics.

Rather than make the assumption that the author's information is somehow flawed because of his youthful error in judgement, you could also take the opposite view and assume that he would have a special interest in safety and that the content would reflect that.

Neither view is anything more than an assumption.

As the text has been accepted by "the reloading community" and is recomended almost universally as a reference, I would avoid making assumptions and just use the book... :)
 
When you know nothing else about a person looks is all you have to go on. He doesn't even any knowledge of reloading to know if the guy is right or not.
 
kingmt -

My point was that there is no reason to assume anything. What would we do if the publisher hadn't included a photo of the author?

The publisher not only included a photo, but a little bit of a biography so that the full story would be known.

And who on THR would be able to definitively answer the question about the author's reloading competence?

IMO, all we have is that it is a long-established reference for reloading. If it wasn't any good, something else would have taken its place.
 
dmazur, kingmt,

I think Tag1 was being ironic in post #14.

Tag1,

Thanks for the accolade. Not completely deserved, though. I wrote my "10 Advices" quite a while ago (revised it several times, too) and keep it around along with the rest of my best writing to post where it seem appropriate.

Lost Sheep
 
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Well, that's one of my faults. I tend to take things literally, often to the frustration of others when I don't understand what they mean.

All I know is what they said.

And I've never understood the importance of body language and inflection... :)
 
I meant no disrespect to the author, was just an observation. Kinda like a guy that writes a book on hair cutting and is missing both ears. :eek:

I opened the book and first thing I noticed was his hands or lack there of. You wonder to yourself if this was a reloading accident. I had just wondered if anyone else had noticed this, that's all.
 
Speaking personally of course...

If you do some research, figure out what exactly you need/want to load as much ammo as you need/want in the time in which you have to do it, a kit can save you some money. But as noted, many kits come with stuff you just don't need, and don't come with stuff you will need.

If you've got a good deal of mechanical aptitude (ever rebuild a carburetor?) learning to reload on a progressive press isn't necessarily a bad idea. I started on a turret, and for low to moderate volumes it's not a bad way to go. Some folks say you should only start on a single stage...meh. Maybe it's easier to see what's going wrong but then again you can always run one case at a time through a progressive. I do that anyways whenever I change a setting somewhere. On the other hand, having a single stage on the bench is helpful sometimes too...RCBS' primer pocket swage needs one, for example.

GET A GOOD MANUAL. In fact, get several. I personally like the Hornady (there's a great essay in the beginning, I still re-read it once in a while and I've been reloading close to 10 years now) and also use Sierra and Lee manuals.

My biggest mistake has always been rushing things. Still is. Take your time, weigh charges, go slow and double check everything. If it feels wrong, it probably is. Remember you're making things that might blow your hand off if you put in a little too much powder or use the wrong primer or too heavy of a bullet. Reloading is usually an exercise in quality, not quantity.

If you're in Florida, I'd be happy to walk you through my setup sometime.
 
lee products are to some, junk trash etc., but an inexpensive kit to get you started is a good place to start, once your comfortable with reloading and ready to stick with it, you can piece together a better set up
 
Speaking personally of course...

If you do some research, figure out what exactly you need/want to load as much ammo as you need/want in the time in which you have to do it, a kit can save you some money. But as noted, many kits come with stuff you just don't need, and don't come with stuff you will need.

If you've got a good deal of mechanical aptitude (ever rebuild a carburetor?) learning to reload on a progressive press isn't necessarily a bad idea. I started on a turret, and for low to moderate volumes it's not a bad way to go. Some folks say you should only start on a single stage...meh. Maybe it's easier to see what's going wrong but then again you can always run one case at a time through a progressive. I do that anyways whenever I change a setting somewhere. On the other hand, having a single stage on the bench is helpful sometimes too...RCBS' primer pocket swage needs one, for example.

GET A GOOD MANUAL. In fact, get several. I personally like the Hornady (there's a great essay in the beginning, I still re-read it once in a while and I've been reloading close to 10 years now) and also use Sierra and Lee manuals.

My biggest mistake has always been rushing things. Still is. Take your time, weigh charges, go slow and double check everything. If it feels wrong, it probably is. Remember you're making things that might blow your hand off if you put in a little too much powder or use the wrong primer or too heavy of a bullet. Reloading is usually an exercise in quality, not quantity.

If you're in Florida, I'd be happy to walk you through my setup sometime.
 
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