GreenFurniture
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I wonder about the two "illegal" assault weapons.
Norco, CA house fire; "Evil" ammo cache found
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trainwreck100
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What's wrong with having any of that stuff? Black powder, shotguns, handguns, and I'm guessing his non-assault weapons, are all legal, and there's nothing wrong with having a little ammo on the shelf either is there?
Exactly what I was thinking. "Assault weapons" in California encompasses pretty much everything that is legal in other states. If he had lived in Nevada, I'm sure those same firearms wouldn't have been illegal.
And why do they always act like stockpiling ammo means that you're some wacko who needs psychiatric evaluation? I mean, sure I don't have a million rounds of ammo, but if I could afford it and prices were right, why not?? Had I had a crystal ball and foreseen ammo prices today, I'd have loaded up back when it was cheaper, too.
The guy probably dug the tunnel to hide all of his "illegal assault weapons" (i.e. anything but a squirt gun in California) and black powder ammo. I can't believe you have to register ammo in PRK!!
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Color me confuzzled, but I would think that many rounds of ammunition wouldn't be really that much if someone is a collector, distributor or a retail dealer. I won't say how much ammuntion I keep on hand for retail and personal uses (I am a Class 01 FFL dealer), but I would love to have that much ammo on hand for a rainy day.
Most hunters here in Missouri might use a 20 round box of ammo every four or five years. Just looking at the local Wal-Mart, I think I have more ammuntion than they have in their entire sporting goods department and secure storage area, but that is not saying much. The local Wal-Mart might have a retail box or two of several popular calibers here.
Most hunters here in Missouri might use a 20 round box of ammo every four or five years. Just looking at the local Wal-Mart, I think I have more ammuntion than they have in their entire sporting goods department and secure storage area, but that is not saying much. The local Wal-Mart might have a retail box or two of several popular calibers here.
joe4702
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Take with a huge grain of salt the media or police spokespeople when it comes to any story involving guns. Typically long on breathless hyperbole and short on facts. PS Cali legislature keeps flirting with the idea of a 5 or 10 cent per round ammo tax. Good enough reason to stockpile.
Flyboy
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If the article is correct in that it's black powder (not smokeless), he probably did need a permit, at least for that quantity. Even here in Oklahoma, we have magazine storage laws when you're dealing with that quantity of black powder.
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HaHa .. Lets not get personal son .. This isn't a place for that .. No one should have explosives in their house period.. You obviously didn't read the article or watch the whole movie about this guy.. His house was on fire and he refused to leave .. a little mentally unbalanced is a fair thing to assume.. Please show me where in the Amendment rights it says we can have explosive's in our house? It doesn't .. I have many guns and a lot of ammo and would NEVER think it was ok for the government to take them from me .. I don't know if you have a wife and children but if so, you should be able to understand that it isn't proper for someone living next to you to have that kind of material in their home .. especially in his mental state .. Thanks for your input though .. Some of us understand the line between prepared and living in paranoid fear.. The line is not clear for all
Professor K
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But if he wants to live in "paranoid fear" that should be his choice, and the only reason he didnt want to come out of the house was because of his guns and stuff and the possibility of them getting seized.
It must really suck to be this guy. He just had over 100K of legal property stolen from him, and he'll probably never get it back.
I propose we should all go buy a box of ammo, any kind, and send it to him.
Also, when the gun bans roll around, guess who you'd go to for ammo? Him.
It must really suck to be this guy. He just had over 100K of legal property stolen from him, and he'll probably never get it back.
I propose we should all go buy a box of ammo, any kind, and send it to him.
Also, when the gun bans roll around, guess who you'd go to for ammo? Him.
Titan6
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Were the explosives black powder? The article was not clear. Black powder does indeed explode and is perfectly legal.
Yeah the guy looked unbalenced. Before you go straight to how wacko he is consider that he watching his house burn down and a bunch of people are showing up in various uniforms. Also how did the fire start? Was some kind of chemical loose that might have caused him to act 'crazy'.
We may never know.....
Yeah the guy looked unbalenced. Before you go straight to how wacko he is consider that he watching his house burn down and a bunch of people are showing up in various uniforms. Also how did the fire start? Was some kind of chemical loose that might have caused him to act 'crazy'.
We may never know.....
thexrayboy
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Is he a wacko? Matter of opinion. This story and the others I have seen about this are real long on rhetoric and sensationalism but pretty light on actual facts. 1 million rounds of ammo. BFD. So what. How many rounds do you think your local national guard armory has stored. I don't see any big to do over how dangerous those places are. This is just your typical anti
gun media hype. Never let it be said that the media, especially in Kali lets a few problems like lack of facts get in the way of a good story.
gun media hype. Never let it be said that the media, especially in Kali lets a few problems like lack of facts get in the way of a good story.
QUOTE-HaHa .. Lets not get personal son .. This isn't a place for that .. No one should have explosives in their house period.. You obviously didn't read the article or watch the whole movie about this guy.. His house was on fire and he refused to leave .. a little mentally unbalanced is a fair thing to assume.. Please show me where in the Amendment rights it says we can have explosive's in our house? It doesn't .. I have many guns and a lot of ammo and would NEVER think it was ok for the government to take them from me .. I don't know if you have a wife and children but if so, you should be able to understand that it isn't proper for someone living next to you to have that kind of material in their home .. especially in his mental state .. Thanks for your input though .. Some of us understand the line between prepared and living in paranoid fear.. The line is not clear for all-QUOTE
Are you even familiar with the text of the second ammendment?
"A well regulated malitia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Let me ask you one question:
Is a grenade an "arm" as dictated by the constitution?
The answer is yes! and if you are not allowed to own a certain type of armament then the right to bear arms has been infringed. Period. End of story. And you can't say or do anyting to make it otherwise. But obviously you forgot that, and for that what the hell makes you think you deserve your right to bear arms? You don't.
The text of the second ammendment calls for only TWO opinions: For or against. There is no maybe clause. If you're for it; fantastic, you obviously understand the reason its there, if you're against it, prepare to get your waste of a brain blown off when the next revolution rolls round.
The scope of the second ammendment stops short of mass destruction (i.e. nuclear and atomic devices), as it was only intended for us to be capable of rising against a tyranical force, and that doesn't exactly fall under genocide.
Explosives OTOH, would be great for battlefield combat, or destroying oppresive organizations with minimal collateral damage, therefore are in fact covered under the second amendment.
Sorry if you disagree, but to avoid being a hypocrite I suggest you sell any and all armament you own and buy a T-shirt with the word 'Victim' printed on it.
ETA- The only gun control that the constitution calls for is a person who is not 'Able-Bodied'. That comes from the constitutional definition of a militia. If this guy was indeed criminally or mentally insane, then i can understand the confiscation.
Are you even familiar with the text of the second ammendment?
"A well regulated malitia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Let me ask you one question:
Is a grenade an "arm" as dictated by the constitution?
The answer is yes! and if you are not allowed to own a certain type of armament then the right to bear arms has been infringed. Period. End of story. And you can't say or do anyting to make it otherwise. But obviously you forgot that, and for that what the hell makes you think you deserve your right to bear arms? You don't.
The text of the second ammendment calls for only TWO opinions: For or against. There is no maybe clause. If you're for it; fantastic, you obviously understand the reason its there, if you're against it, prepare to get your waste of a brain blown off when the next revolution rolls round.
The scope of the second ammendment stops short of mass destruction (i.e. nuclear and atomic devices), as it was only intended for us to be capable of rising against a tyranical force, and that doesn't exactly fall under genocide.
Explosives OTOH, would be great for battlefield combat, or destroying oppresive organizations with minimal collateral damage, therefore are in fact covered under the second amendment.
Sorry if you disagree, but to avoid being a hypocrite I suggest you sell any and all armament you own and buy a T-shirt with the word 'Victim' printed on it.
ETA- The only gun control that the constitution calls for is a person who is not 'Able-Bodied'. That comes from the constitutional definition of a militia. If this guy was indeed criminally or mentally insane, then i can understand the confiscation.
Just alot of ammunition,, probably just stocking up for the next small game season to start up. Be fun to have a few cases of 22lr for squirel season.
And ATF regulations allow 50 pounds of powder per home, except that much normally requires special storage to be built and inspected possibly.
Still musta had his henry 22lr survival rifles consficated, pistol grip rifle with removable magazines and all...
And ATF regulations allow 50 pounds of powder per home, except that much normally requires special storage to be built and inspected possibly.
Still musta had his henry 22lr survival rifles consficated, pistol grip rifle with removable magazines and all...
FieroCDSP
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He probably had a civil war era long-gun with a bayonette. Those can kill millions of people at a time and are sure sign of a terrorist. Expect a new bill from McCarthy after this.
-.5lb smokeless powder limit in any home.
-10rnds of ammo max in home (total, not of each caliber).
-Call before you dig.
-10 day waiting period after NICS check for wooden or plastic crates. (after all, you can store anything in them!!!
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-.5lb smokeless powder limit in any home.
-10rnds of ammo max in home (total, not of each caliber).
-Call before you dig.
-10 day waiting period after NICS check for wooden or plastic crates. (after all, you can store anything in them!!!
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There is no way that he had 1 million rounds. A fireman said that and a reported quoted him like it was accurate.
If they were to remove a million rounds from the house they would need a forklift. A million rounds would weigh around 40,000lbs.
If they were to remove a million rounds from the house they would need a forklift. A million rounds would weigh around 40,000lbs.
I am thinking he had a semi AR or AK rifle, that he brought into the state or didn't register it when they banned them. Dosn't matter these rifles are legal in almost all other states.
Typical anti media blowing something out of proportion.
Wish i had a million rounds
Brion
Typical anti media blowing something out of proportion.
Wish i had a million rounds
Brion
tnieto2004, so you're sitting there trying to tell us that if it was your house going up in smoke and flames that you wouldn't be "mentally imbalanced" just a little? Even with your entire life's fortune contained in that home?
BS. Plain and simple.
You may think people shouldn't have explosives in their home, but it appears that you aren't applying the slightest bit of common sense to your posting.
Do you have natural gas heating? Explosive.
Do you have an assortment of cleaning chemicals under your kitchen sink or elsewhere in the home? Leaky bottles = explosive.
As Larry the Cable Guy says, "I could do this all day."
And about that "tunnel." It was noted that it was five feet wide by eight feet long. Not much of a tunnel if you ask me. It sounds more like a standard entryway into a storm/earthquake/tornado shelter or basement to me.
I guess my question about this case is, "Who is this guy the scapegoat for?"
BS. Plain and simple.
You may think people shouldn't have explosives in their home, but it appears that you aren't applying the slightest bit of common sense to your posting.
Do you have natural gas heating? Explosive.
Do you have an assortment of cleaning chemicals under your kitchen sink or elsewhere in the home? Leaky bottles = explosive.
As Larry the Cable Guy says, "I could do this all day."
And about that "tunnel." It was noted that it was five feet wide by eight feet long. Not much of a tunnel if you ask me. It sounds more like a standard entryway into a storm/earthquake/tornado shelter or basement to me.
I guess my question about this case is, "Who is this guy the scapegoat for?"
swgunner
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just remember in some states 1903 springfield + assault rifle
also liquid bleach, glass cleaner with ammonia, oh and lysol in a can go up high order
who really believes everything the media puts out? most is sensationalist reporting the stuff that scares people without making them think. i mean the guy had a million rounds oh he must be a terrorist. how many of us in our daily lives over-exaggerate for dramatic effect? i mean today i picked up a million paper clips, not really but it was a decent size box that broke, but anyway thats my two cents worth.
also liquid bleach, glass cleaner with ammonia, oh and lysol in a can go up high order
who really believes everything the media puts out? most is sensationalist reporting the stuff that scares people without making them think. i mean the guy had a million rounds oh he must be a terrorist. how many of us in our daily lives over-exaggerate for dramatic effect? i mean today i picked up a million paper clips, not really but it was a decent size box that broke, but anyway thats my two cents worth.
DKSuddeth
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On that particular point, you're right. I apologize for getting personal.
Then I can safely assume that you are removing all the ammunition from your home?
I've got a wife, two kids, four dogs, and sometimes a cat. I'm not leaving MY burning house until I know they are all outside and safe. Does that make ME unbalanced?
You're AG Gonzalez, aren't you?
and some of us understand the constitution while some of us don't. It's apparently not very clear to some.
BigFatKen
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When CA started this wacco crap, a firetruck was stopped because of some "high level" danger in the apartment house fire. They were warned by computer that lit the building up in red to not enter. The building continued to burn.
One fireman who was stopped from going in started to say "Hey, that's my house and I just got a deer rifle in it."
Too bad for him. The current Rules did not let firemen approach burning buildings that lit up their "danger, alert" computer. He should have owned a bolt, they could have saved his home.
One fireman who was stopped from going in started to say "Hey, that's my house and I just got a deer rifle in it."
Too bad for him. The current Rules did not let firemen approach burning buildings that lit up their "danger, alert" computer. He should have owned a bolt, they could have saved his home.
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