Norinco Trenchguns and slamfiring

[mp510]

I noticed this Gunbroker auction: http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=83519781#PIC
and the seller was claiming that only a limited number of the 1897 Winchester Trench Gun clones impoted into the US were capable being slamfired. I was of the understanding that Norinco had simply reverse engineered the 1897 as best they could sans disconnector, like the original. IS he spewing e-rumors or did Norinco really change things up?

 

[MilsurpShooter]

If that's the case then mine was a steal at $270 compared to his buy now price. I don't know 100% but I think all of them slam fire. I'm guessing he obtained some bad information.

 

[MASTEROFMALICE]

If memory serves, as long as you were holding the trigger the Ithaca shotguns would fire each time you racked the slide. Are the Norincos like that?

 

[buzz_knox]

Are the Norincos like that?

They are not supposed to be capable of slam firing.

If they were "mistakenly" shipped to the US rather than Canada, I doubt they are here pursuant to a valid ATFE import license.

 

[MilsurpShooter]

as long as you were holding the trigger the Ithaca shotguns would fire each time you racked the slide. Are the Norincos like that?

Mine is and the one or two others I've handled were the same way. Hold the trigger, move the pump forward to chamber another round and when it's chambered the hammer let's go. Did it 2 or 3 times at the range, nearly killed my shoudler though with the slugs I was firing lol.

 

[hksw]

It's also my understanding that Norinco made direct 100% copies of the Win '97 which did not have a disconnect and that all of them were made that way.

 

[CZ223]

All of the Norinco 97's

that I have owned or handled were capable of Slam Firing. As far as I know the trench guns have always been made that way as well although I have never fired one.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

I had one a couple years ago. It did not have a disconnector, so it was possible to slam fire it (I never did).

 

[nwilliams]

On my Chinese '97 one of the first things I noticed was that if you hold down the trigger and rack the slide the hammer won't stay back. So I'm assuming that mine is perfectly capable of slam firing.

It's also my understanding that Norinco made direct 100% copies of the Win '97 which did not have a disconnect and that all of them were made that way.

I've heard this also

 

[precisionshootist]

I've handled 4 or 5 of them at different time periods as I considered buying one from time to time. All the ones I handled could slam fire same as the original. I never bought as they always looked great but the action was way to rough on all the ones I handled. I have heard they can be slicked up by a knowledgeable smith. As far as I know all Ithaca 37's will do the same thing.

 

[Steve C]

Slamfire is improper terminology

Slamfire is an incorrect terminology describing the guns that fire when the action closes and the trigger is still pulled. A "SLAMFIRE" is when the weapon fires upon closing the action and the trigger is NOT PULLED thus a mechanical failure where the firing is caused by the slamming of the action not as a normal operating function of the weapon. If a Winchester M97 or M12 is mechanically sound you can "SLAM" the action closed on a live shell all you want and it will not fire if the trigger isn't being held back.

 

[nwilliams]

True, but I think the term is being used loosely here, I can't think of how else to describe it myself.

Technically its not slam firing but its semantics until we can all agree on a better term to describe it

 

[mp510]

True, but I think the term is being used loosely here, I can't think of how else to describe it myself.

Technically its not slam firing but its semantics until we can all agree on a better term to describe it

I'll admit that I used the term loosely in my original post, largely because it is a generally accepted term, and it gets the point across pretty good- everyone, including yourself knew what I meant.