North American Arms Mini Master 4 inch revovler

[stinger 327]

Is it possible to sight this gun? I notice that the sight can only be adjusted up or down easily. I don't see any windage adjustment. This gun has a cylinder to shoot .22 LR and another cylinder to shoot .22 WMR. The instructions make no statements on sight adjustments. It just says to use CCI ammo and Winchester are the best to use in this gun.

 

[sonier]

if it has dovetail fixtures you use a nylon or non marring punch to adjust the sight you have to move the sight throught the dovetails, on all my dovetail fixtures i take a punch and i tap the side fo the sight trough the dovetail to where i think its on target. im sure someone will pipe in to explain this more

 

[stinger 327]

if it has dovetail fixtures you use a nylon or non marring punch to adjust the sight you have to move the sight throught the dovetails, on all my dovetail fixtures i take a punch and i tap the side fo the sight trough the dovetail to where i think its on target. im sure someone will pipe in to explain this more

Not sure about that. I would be afraid of knocking off the whole sight from side to side for windage.

 

[David E]

Then hold off to the side.

But properly tapping the dovetailed sight IS the way to get it to shoot to point of aim.

 

[stinger 327]

Then hold off to the side.

But properly tapping the dovetailed sight IS the way to get it to shoot to point of aim.

I wonder if it is worth the effort on this 4 incher that comes with two cylinders one in .22LR and the other in .22 WMR is it even capable of grouping?

 

[goon]

If it has sights it's worth the effort. Unless you like missing your target and prefer to just make noise. Then by all means, don't bother to use the sights. The ammo companies will love you regardless.

They are both correct.
To adjust sights for windage in dovetails, you drift the rear sight the SAME direction as where you want to move your point of impact to and the front sight the OPPOSITE direction. I stress that because it took a lot of memorization and trial and error every time I went to adjust sights before I finally just committed it to memory. But the point is, this is how it is done with anything that has dovetailed sights be it rifle or handgun. In a handgun, even a small change can make a huge difference in windage.

 

[stinger 327]

If it has sights it's worth the effort. Unless you like missing your target and prefer to just make noise. Then by all means, don't bother to use the sights. The ammo companies will love you regardless.

They are both correct.
To adjust sights for windage in dovetails, you drift the rear sight the SAME direction as where you want to move your point of impact to and the front sight the OPPOSITE direction. I stress that because it took a lot of memorization and trial and error every time I went to adjust sights before I finally just committed it to memory. But the point is, this is how it is done with anything that has dovetailed sights be it rifle or handgun. In a handgun, even a small change can make a huge difference in windage.

What's a dove tail sight?
Because on my Ruger 10/22 has a aftermarket peep sight with no instructions (lost) and there are two knobs left and right that appear to adjust up and down but no side to side - windage.

 

[gb6491]

What's a dove tail sight?
Because on my Ruger 10/22 has a aftermarket peep sight with no instructions (lost) and there are two knobs left and right that appear to adjust up and down but no side to side - windage.

It's a sight mounted to the firearm using a dovetail joint. The dovetail consists of trapezoidal shaped tenon that fits into a correspondingly shaped channel. If your 10/22 has the skinny factory barrel, the front sight is most likely a dovetail sight.
Regards,
Greg

 

[stinger 327]

It's a sight mounted to the firearm using a dovetail joint. The dovetail consists of trapezoidal shaped tenon that fits into a correspondingly shaped channel. If your 10/22 has the skinny factory barrel, the front sight is most likely a dovetail sight.
Regards,
Greg

I do believe the Mini Master NAA revolver has a front dovetail sight but it is still different than the rear sight on this gun.

 

[Wolfebyte]

http://www.laserlyte.com/laser_gun_sights/NAA-1/NAA-1.html

 

[stinger 327]

http://www.laserlyte.com/laser_gun_sights/NAA-1/NAA-1.html

Wow now that's quality in a small package.

 

[darticus]

Anyone know where I can get a manual for my 4" mini master? maybe a download. Wondering about adjusting the sights. Ron

 

[mgkdrgn]

Here ya go. NAA specific forum there too.

http://www.naaminis.com/tech.html

 

[stinger 327]

Anyone know where I can get a manual for my 4" mini master? maybe a download. Wondering about adjusting the sights. Ron

Manual won't tell you much which is why I posted here. It's the same with all of their other mini revolvers though they really don['t have sights.

 

[stinger 327]

if it has dovetail fixtures you use a nylon or non marring punch to adjust the sight you have to move the sight throught the dovetails, on all my dovetail fixtures i take a punch and i tap the side fo the sight trough the dovetail to where i think its on target. im sure someone will pipe in to explain this more

The rear sight popped off there are two small springs that it lines up with that the screw adjustment for windage. There are no screws elsewhere for adjustment front or rear.

 

[darticus]

Can you buy a tool to hit the front sight over that won't mark the finish? Is it a special punch? Ron

 

[stinger 327]

Can you buy a tool to hit the front sight over that won't mark the finish? Is it a special punch? Ron

From what I can see there is no way to adjust windage on this sight. NAA told me this only for elevation.

 

[robbor]

naa mini master

i bought this gun and it about the worst purchase ive ever made.
Shoots all over the place, accuracy is bad. and very high most of the time. Sights dont adjust enough to get on center of target at about 20 yards. You cant change the sights because they are non standard dovetails, only half the depth of normal. Trigger SUCKS, has terrible creep. Cylinder gap is terrible.
Actually does worse with the 22lr cylinder. Really save your money when it comes to naa.

 

[Hoppes Love Potion]

I recently bought the NAA Black Widow, the 2" version of the Mini Master. From a few informal short-range tests, I think the accuracy is fine. Shooting CB Shorts into a reactive target, I did pretty bad using the fixed sights, but on the last 2 shots I just pointed it like a finger without using sights and both shots were touching the small bullseye.

Excellent, since in a defensive situation I will not have a chance to line up the sights. It seems like if you hold it where you can best line up the sights, it makes for an unnatural trigger-pull. Point and shoot works best, and allows the steadiest and most natural grip.

robbor, you might try ignoring the sights and just point it naturally. I didn't shoot at 20 yards; it was more like 15 feet. But I will try longer shots when I get a chance and see how it goes.

 

[stinger 327]

I recently bought the NAA Black Widow, the 2" version of the Mini Master. From a few informal short-range tests, I think the accuracy is fine. Shooting CB Shorts into a reactive target, I did pretty bad using the fixed sights, but on the last 2 shots I just pointed it like a finger without using sights and both shots were touching the small bullseye.

Excellent, since in a defensive situation I will not have a chance to line up the sights. It seems like if you hold it where you can best line up the sights, it makes for an unnatural trigger-pull. Point and shoot works best, and allows the steadiest and most natural grip.

robbor, you might try ignoring the sights and just point it naturally. I didn't shoot at 20 yards; it was more like 15 feet. But I will try longer shots when I get a chance and see how it goes.

The Black Widow also comes with 2 cyclinders? One for .22 MAG and the other for .22LR?
I just got mine back from NAA and they replaced springs, trigger, and pin as the pin
(all free of charge) was coming out from the first shot from shooting .22 mag. In .22 LR didn't have problem with pin.

Trying to adjust the sight on this NAA Mini-Master has been a challenge as it only adjusts one way and its for elevation only.. Unless if there is a way to move the sight side to side when turning the screw for the elevation. I'll have to try this when at range again to see if it will move side to side when I do adjustments for elevation. It has a 4 inch barrel so I expect to get some kind of groupings.

 

[stinger 327]

if it has dovetail fixtures you use a nylon or non marring punch to adjust the sight you have to move the sight throught the dovetails, on all my dovetail fixtures i take a punch and i tap the side fo the sight trough the dovetail to where i think its on target. im sure someone will pipe in to explain this more

What is a dovetail sight?

 

[stinger 327]

http://www.laserlyte.com/laser_gun_sights/NAA-1/NAA-1.html

What is the price on this laser sight same as for the other guns $199.00?
Is it only for the smallest mini-revolver or can it be used on any of them such as the .22LR or the .22 Mag and the Mini Master?
Does it really work out to what range? Or is it just a gimmick? The sight costs almost as much as the mini-revolver or maybe more than the gun in some cases.

 

[BCRider]

i bought this gun and it about the worst purchase ive ever made.
Shoots all over the place, accuracy is bad. and very high most of the time. Sights dont adjust enough to get on center of target at about 20 yards. You cant change the sights because they are non standard dovetails, only half the depth of normal. Trigger SUCKS, has terrible creep. Cylinder gap is terrible.
Actually does worse with the 22lr cylinder. Really save your money when it comes to naa.

You just need to persist with learning to shoot the gun better. When I got my 4 inch barrel "The Earl" my groups were all over the place to the point of not being able to call the results "groups" at all. As I learned to hold the gun and to work the trigger better my results sharpened up. I can now do 5 shot group of 2 inch diameter at about 12 yards on a pretty consistent basis with the odd 1.5 inch group. But it took a good 300 rounds of practice to get there. My issues were the trouble and not the gun itself at all.

Stinger, someone up higher told you want a dovetail sight is. It's the manner that the sight is mounted to the gun. If your gun has a dovetail sight you can easily see this by looking at the sight from the side. The base of the sight where it fits into the barrel or frame will have ends that slope inwards so it traps the sight into the barrel or frame due to the taper of the front and back of the sight's base.

In fact in this picture of the 4 inch Mini Master from NAA's site I can clearly see that both the front and rear sights are dovetailed. You can see how the base of both where they slip into the matching tracks on the gun are sloped inward to lock the sights in place.



So if you can clamp the barrel or frame into a vise with suitably padded jaws to avoid scuffs or scratches and use a brass or aluminium pin punch you can tap one or the other from side to side. But first check that there is no sign of a locking pin or screw. Most dovetail base sights are held in by a friction fit but some use a locking set screw and others not intended to be moved use a locating pin. More likely the front is the one to move for windage as you run much less risk of damage to the height adjuster mechanism of the rear sight.

Just be sure that it's not your grip that is producing the windage issue. If my The Earl experience is anything to go by they do a pretty good job of aligning the sights at the factory. It may just be that your grip and how you pull the trigger needs a bit of work.

In my case I use the hard point of the first joint of my finger as the spot to push the trigger. Testing with empty cases and some dry firing showed me that pulling the trigger with that spot of my finger produced the least kick in the sight picture when the hammer dropped. Try some dry firing with empties in place and see if your own sight picture jumps to the sides at all as the hammer kicks. If it does then it'll pull the bullets to the side as well. Adjust your trigger finger untill you don't get any sideways jump at hammer fall.

Good luck and enjoy a great little gun. I know that my own NAA really makes me smile when I shoot it.

 

[stinger 327]

You just need to persist with learning to shoot the gun better. When I got my 4 inch barrel "The Earl" my groups were all over the place to the point of not being able to call the results "groups" at all. As I learned to hold the gun and to work the trigger better my results sharpened up. I can now do 5 shot group of 2 inch diameter at about 12 yards on a pretty consistent basis with the odd 1.5 inch group. But it took a good 300 rounds of practice to get there. My issues were the trouble and not the gun itself at all.

Stinger, someone up higher told you want a dovetail sight is. It's the manner that the sight is mounted to the gun. If your gun has a dovetail sight you can easily see this by looking at the sight from the side. The base of the sight where it fits into the barrel or frame will have ends that slope inwards so it traps the sight into the barrel or frame due to the taper of the front and back of the sight's base.

In fact in this picture of the 4 inch Mini Master from NAA's site I can clearly see that both the front and rear sights are dovetailed. You can see how the base of both where they slip into the matching tracks on the gun are sloped inward to lock the sights in place.

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So if you can clamp the barrel or frame into a vise with suitably padded jaws to avoid scuffs or scratches and use a brass or aluminium pin punch you can tap one or the other from side to side. But first check that there is no sign of a locking pin or screw. Most dovetail base sights are held in by a friction fit but some use a locking set screw and others not intended to be moved use a locating pin. More likely the front is the one to move for windage as you run much less risk of damage to the height adjuster mechanism of the rear sight.

Just be sure that it's not your grip that is producing the windage issue. If my The Earl experience is anything to go by they do a pretty good job of aligning the sights at the factory. It may just be that your grip and how you pull the trigger needs a bit of work.

In my case I use the hard point of the first joint of my finger as the spot to push the trigger. Testing with empty cases and some dry firing showed me that pulling the trigger with that spot of my finger produced the least kick in the sight picture when the hammer dropped. Try some dry firing with empties in place and see if your own sight picture jumps to the sides at all as the hammer kicks. If it does then it'll pull the bullets to the side as well. Adjust your trigger finger untill you don't get any sideways jump at hammer fall.

Good luck and enjoy a great little gun. I know that my own NAA really makes me smile when I shoot it.

The smaller mini-revolvers are point shoot guns anyway no real sights and fixed. I would expect a bit more accuracy on the 4 inch Mini-Master but if adjusting the sights are going to be difficult I will just leave it be.

 

[BCRider]

You're giving up too easily. If you actually read my post you should realize that they can do far better than most of the owners give them credit for. You included apparently. But equally as I described it takes some effort to learn how to hold such a small grip consistently and to use that trigger consistently without any sideways pull.

On the 4 inch version of the Mini Master and given the sights it has the sight base is darn near as long as a S&W Model 14 with a 4 inch barrel. A gun that so many shooters extoll as being a superbly accurate gun to shoot. So despite it being a compact gun with some effort learning how to handle it well there is no reason at all that you can't shoot it as well as any other 4 inch revolver out there. You're not getting anywhere near your full dollar value from it if you just give up and resign yourself to it being a close in "point shooter".