longeyes
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Secession isn't the future, expulsion is.
Yes. And we allowed those in charge of our nation to do all of this to us intentionally. Things like this don't happen by accident. There is an imposed agenda in operation here which is hostile to the wishes of 90% of our population.I think we in the USA are looking at interesting times in the next 50 years.
I disagree with your analysis of the potential for viable independence of many states. Texas, California, Alaska, Hawaii, Florida, Washington/Oregon could easily become independent political entities.
I agree with your statement on the viability of a nation composed of various confederated states. My statement was directed at the viability of a single independent state (e.g., Arizona withdrawing from the Union in isolation). Your point that several of these states, working in union, however, is most certainly possible. I actually see this as possibly the ONLY way to heal the schism between red and blue, and for the one not to rule rampant over the other.
Im not sure I want to put a person in charge of my country who believes that dictators and tyranny have a rightful place in this world.
You mean Iraq or the U.S.?
So you are talking about a return to Constitutional federalism? Well, join the club. Conservatives (the real ones, not the Neocons calling themselves conservatives), libertarians and Constitutionalist in the United States have been pushing for that forever. So far our efforts have been futile, as the nation moves steadily closer to pure consolidated central unconstitutional (read "despotic") government.We are talking about a more loosely defined union between states. Noone, I believe, wants to dissolve the union. Rather, the point is to weaken Washington's hold on things by readjusting the political stranglehold.
That is just simply not going to happen peacefully.Rather, the point is to weaken Washington's hold on things by readjusting the political stranglehold.
Either some states revolt, or the DC Empire collapses under its own weight, or possibly both at the same time.
What moral high ground do we have these days to actually revolt against our government, when rather we are revolting against the "people" themselves, that is, the other fifty percent who actually DO favor the socialist/fascist system we see arising in the modern day? Suddenly, it seems more like civil war than revolt against tyranny, with one half subjecting the other to their own preferred form of government. Whereas tyranny can and should be resisted, how does one fight a popular movement at least as powerful as one's own?
We are talking about a more loosely defined union between states. Noone, I believe, wants to dissolve the union. Rather, the point is to weaken Washington's hold on things by readjusting the political stranglehold.
Secession isn't the future, expulsion is.
When a group (Mexicans, Irish, women) becomes part of the political system, they tend to contribute to that system without radically changing it. Usually the only thing that changes is the face or surname of the person(s) in power. There is no fundamental shift in the system nor any restructuring.Alot of the people who come to America have their reasons. Those who left mexico might not want to mirror that political mess in their new home so quickly. Just like the Irish, Jewish and Chinese grew tired of their old lives and adopted the American way quickly.
I think when these people find their voice and pry themselves loose from poverty, they wont be so predictable as the left thinks.
Even if they are the population of texas, it will still be texas....with a few more mexican holidays.
I believe the US will become stronger and more powerful for the foreseeable future before it collapses under its own weight. I don't believe those in power would ever accept a "confederation of states" with or without secession.
When a group (Mexicans, Irish, women) becomes part of the political system, they tend to contribute to that system without radically changing it. Usually the only thing that changes is the face or surname of the person(s) in power. There is no fundamental shift in the system nor any restructuring.
I believe the US GOVERNMENT will become stronger and more powerful for the foreseeable future before it collapses under its own weight. I don't believe those in power would ever accept a "confederation of states" with or without secession.
That's the idea. Except that when such a collapse occurs - someone still has to pay off the debt and the debtors remain slaves to the creditors.At some point the DC Empire must collapse under its own weight of debt and beauracracy - as did the USSR
The EU is trying to be the next Holy Roman Empire.
If the Civil War demonstrated anything, indeed it is that a permanent peaceful reduction of the power of the federal government is impossible.
The natural instinct of every bureaucracy is to perpetuate and expand itself, just like it is the natural urge of every authority to expand its influence. The WashDC critters follow that trend very well, at the expense of common sense, truth, long-term solvency of the country, or individual rights. Things like WoT are serendipitious gifts to statists of every persuasion, as they offer a nice justification for a few turns on the powergrab ratchet.
A government so ravenous for taxes as ours is, can only sustain itself by cannibalizing internally and expanding externally. Tax rates cannot be increased easily because the rich would not have it and they pay for the politicians and judges, so the other solutions are:
1) cannibalize the middle class (ongoing)
2) a skyrocketing unsustainable foreign debt (already happened)
3) increase of the tax base by illegal immigration (happened and intensifying)
4) increase of the taxable base by economic expansion - outsourcing (India, China), free trade (NAFTA, CAFTA)
5) increase of the taxable base by territorial expansion ( Mexico and Canada within 50 years)
6) eventual increase of tax rate for the middle class "to save the country" from the deficit (see Hillary 2008)
When you follow the money and understand the ravenous perverse logic of it, all colorful pebbles move into place nicely, revealing the Roman mosaic.