Not just another crime shooting story

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Spats McGee said:
Perhaps even more interesting is the spin that CNN puts on this one. Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/us/new-mexico-motel-shooting/index.html

I would have edited for brevity, but I think it's instructive to compare the AP version that hso posted with CNN's.

I'm struck by several things:
1. The implication that the guns might be illegal.
2. The lack of any mention of de Caro's military background.
3. The omission of any mention of the couple's CC licenses.
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Well, the guns may very much NOT have been legal, right? I mean, not all CC permits work in all states. The very fact that Russell and her husband were carrying across state borders is very questionable according the the rather bad way our 2nd Amendment rights are infringed upon, that is, you can't just cc in all states, right?
 
RustyShackelford said:
Lynne Russell was one of the original news anchors on CNN Headline News. She was also a former sworn LE deputy in the metro Atlanta GA area, a licensed PI & "black-belt" in martial arts. Not the victim I'd choose, :uhoh: .
Her husband was at a disadvantage in the melee. He was hit 3 times(leg, lower torso). The media says he should make a full recovery.

It's unknown what type handgun the husband/SF veteran used. Or how many times he shot the felon.

Rusty
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I remember her well on CNN Headline News...
 
Lycidas Janwor said:
Well, the gun may very much NOT have been legal, right? I mean, not all CC permits work in all states. The very fact that Russell and her husband were carrying across state borders is very questionable according the the rather bad way our 2nd Amendment rights are infringed upon, that is, you can't just cc in all states, right?
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No CC permits needed in your own home (which a hotel room is, for the night). Plus the guns weren't carried or concealed, they were on some furniture.

I'm not sure about the east coast or Chicago, but the reporters wouldn't have been breaking any laws in New Mexico. In fact, if they brought them in unloaded in their luggage (and they weren't "scary" feature guns) everything I've seen reported would have been legal in California too.
 
Ed Ames said:
No CC permits needed in your own home (which a hotel room is, for the night). Plus the guns weren't carried or concealed, they were on some furniture.

I'm not sure about the east coast or Chicago, but the reporters wouldn't have been breaking any laws in New Mexico. In fact, if they brought them in unloaded in their luggage (and they weren't "scary" feature guns) everything I've seen reported would have been legal in California too.
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Ok. It's confusing to say the least.
 
Better than the SF news reporters....

In related news :uhoh:
2 TV news crews were jacked at gun-point by a group of armed robbers.
They were on the pier of San Francisco CA doing news stories when a group of thugs with guns ran up & attacked them.

Many news stations around the US are using extra security or having off duty LE go out with TV news reporters.

Rusty
 
"Shoulda, woulda, coulda" at play here as I wasn't there, but I'm surprised that the woman who was a CCW holder and a former LEO and a martial arts expert (so the reports said) didn't just take the pistol and shoot the bad guy herself. That transfer of the handgun to DeCarlo was a time waster, in my opinion.

Just my thoughts.

L.W.
 
I've read several accounts of this now, including the wife's detailed description.

Points that I found interesting...

1. They both appear to have stayed calm... talked to BG, asked him not to point his gun at them... they were willing to be robbed to avoid harm, but when they realized that they didn't really have anything of value for the guy, they knew there was no way out, and letting the BG have his way with the wife was not an option, even though hubby was caught at a complete disadvantage. Lesson learned.... stay calm and look for ways out, but there are lines in the sand that you can never cross. Better dead than red, so to speak.

2. Hubby took two in the belly and one in the leg and kept fighting hard. Lesson learned... when you commit to fight, it's all in, not stopping or turning back.

3. Apparently there were a lot of shots fired. Lesson learned, under duress, all "target practice" goes out the window. Training under stressed conditions is a different ball of wax.

4. Perhaps they did violate some laws on their trip. Lesson learned, self protection and preservation is a higher priority than meticulous adherence to our ever complicated mish-mash of legal morass. Avoiding death, or wife abducted are higher priorities and merit whatever risk. There's a reason why our founding fathers codified trial by jury of your peers.

5. The wife said that the police had to restrain her from going out into the parking lot and "kicking the $h!# out of the dead BG. She is a former LEO and black belt, and apparently has a "fighting spirit", but there is no indication that it kicked in until after the fight was over and it appears that she did not contribute to their defense. Lesson learned, you never "know" until you know, and despite all of your plans and ideas, you may find yourself frozen at the time of action.
 
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Have a friend that is a highly trained EMT and NEVER EVER seems to make a mistake. When a family member had a heart attack in his presence he froze and the person ultimately died. Another individual that was training as a firefighter with us was showing great potential until he was in a live fire interior training and experienced a flash over. He dropped the hose and ran out of the building and quit on the spot. You never know what will happen when presented with a situation until you actually are IN it. Training can somewhat prepare you but only to help you process it faster and then hopefully react accordingly.

I have noticed even on the national level that the MSM has shifted a bit on their anti 2A rhetoric. Might be the hand writing on the wall that the consumers of their drivel are fed up with all misinformation and downrite lies they say are the facts.
 
This was a weird story. It's kinda like they knew too much and got out of the game of journalism while they could.
 
Leanwolf said:
"Shoulda, woulda, coulda" at play here as I wasn't there, but I'm surprised that the woman who was a CCW holder and a former LEO and a martial arts expert (so the reports said) didn't just take the pistol and shoot the bad guy herself. That transfer of the handgun to DeCarlo was a time waster, in my opinion.

Just my thoughts.

L.W.
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I'm glad you posted this. Similar thoughts have been running around in my mind, like:
1. If she is LE and a martial arts black belt, how did she have so little situational awareness that BG was able to get right next to her to push her into the hotel room?
2. If she is a martial arts black belt, why did she apparently not do anything to stop BG from coming into the room with her?
3. Plus the story said when the husband started firing she hid behind a chair.
Somehow something isn't adding up here. I wonder whether there is more to the story.
 
Did not realize this lady is almost 70 years old.

In my opinion, the elderly are the number 1 demographic that should carry.
 
Sol said:
Did not realize this lady is almost 70 years old.

In my opinion, the elderly are the number 1 demographic that should carry.
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She doesn't look anywhere near that on the photo. Maybe that partially answers my questions... but the husband is 65 himself...
 
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Lycidas Janwor said:
Spats McGee said:
Perhaps even more interesting is the spin that CNN puts on this one. Here's the link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/us/new...ing/index.html

I would have edited for brevity, but I think it's instructive to compare the AP version that hso posted with CNN's.

I'm struck by several things:
1. The implication that the guns might be illegal.
2. The lack of any mention of de Caro's military background.
3. The omission of any mention of the couple's CC licenses.
Click to expand...

Well, the guns may very much NOT have been legal, right? I mean, not all CC permits work in all states. The very fact that Russell and her husband were carrying across state borders is very questionable according the the rather bad way our 2nd Amendment rights are infringed upon, that is, you can't just cc in all states, right?
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I'd say, "no."

Without knowing where the couple hailed from, there's about a 50/50 shot that NM recognized their permits. According to www.handgunlaw.us, NM recognizes permits from 24 states. Further, and as others have noted, the couple was in a hotel room with the pistols on a piece of furniture, a nightstand I think (?). The implication from the CNN story is that the "guns were illegal," not that the "guns were illegally carried. Those are two separate items. I've seen nothing to lead me to the conclusion that the "very fact that Russell and her husband were carrying across state borders is very questionable[.]"

Now, I'm not an expert on NM law, but I do try to keep moderately current on what restrictions each state has on firearms. 10-round mags in some states, have to have a bullet button on an AR in others, etc. AFAIK, NM doesn't have anything like that, so unless they were carrying full-auto pistols, or pistols with defaced serial numbers (for which I've seen no reports), the guns themselves were legal.
 
^^^^

I Just saw that on another news site, now they will get piled on by every left leaning news outlet in the US. Somehow I don't think they'll care.
 
Now, I'm not an expert on NM law...
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I'll make it really simple for you. Open carry is legal in the State of New Mexico regardless of your state residence.

If your state's CC permit is not recognized by the State of New Mexico, then it is legal to open carry your gun - that includes in your car, hotel room, etc.

If you have a CC permit that is recognized by the State of NM then you're able to carry anywhere in the State as defined by Federal and NM State laws.

If you have a State of NM CC permit or a permit recognized by the State of NM and are stopped by the police while CC'ing, you are NOT REQUIRED by NM State Law to inform the officer that you are carrying a concealed weapon.

Carrying on an Indian Reservation requires permission of the tribe EXCEPT on a State or Federal highway right-of-way. NM State gun laws apply on State or Federal highway right-of-way.

No restrictions on the number of rounds in a magazine.

You can only carry ONE GUN concealed. If you carry more than one gun - then one gun can be concealed and all others would have to be open carried.

There you go....
 
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It's good to see this story getting some press, I hope someone on our side will do some interviews (radio, tv).
 
more details posted in this commentary by Lynne Russell...

Sounds like they did work together and she was the one who got the gun into her hubby's hand.... well done!

And much to the skeptics delight and fan boys chagrin..... the pistol was a .380

Article is written in editorial style and is a little over the top gushing with admiration for her hubby... O.K. he did just save her life... I guess I just don't go for the emotional writing style.

BG initiated the gun fight and shot hubby in the gut twice and leg once and apparently winged him with two more.... hubby mag dumped the .380...

She describes him as a "crack shot" ..... which I find somewhat amusing... One between the eyes would fit that description.... but none the less, he got the job done and came out on top when the BG totally had the drop on him.
 
makes me wonder if they've hired an attorney yet...
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Albuquerque Police Department has said no charges will be filed as it was a case of self defense.

If his family files a suit in civil court, that should be interesting as the robber was a fugitive who skipped out on parole in Tennessee.

Makes you curious how a criminal could possibly get a gun with all of those gun laws in place to stop him - doesn't it?
 
'Nothing to debate': Second Amendment, legal gun in my purse saved our lives

'Nothing to debate': Second Amendment, legal gun in my purse saved our lives

Lynne Russell explains in her own words how her gun saved her and her husband's life. The former CNN anchor is definitely pro second amendment and this is one of the best pro-gun articles by a public figure I have seen.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015...s-my-husband-because-had-one-in-my-purse.html


"Here's the truth:

1. Criminals will always have guns, this is not about them.

2. Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms. Humans have a right to defend themselves. If we didn't have the Second Amendment, we would create it.

3. You can't control everything; but if it makes you feel better, go with a simple law preventing violent offenders from buying firearms. Make it "violent" offenders rather than "white collar" offenders, or most of Capitol Hill won't be allowed to own them.

4. Get a gun, get legal, be responsible, trust yourself. Don't trust yourself? Then don't carry. But for God's sake then, shut the up about it, because that's where your involvement ends.

Chuck and I were married one year ago, on the Fourth of July. Sure, we celebrated our first wedding anniversary in a hospital. But thanks to the Second Amendment, my crack-shot husband and the pistol he used, we were able to have a first anniversary."


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An excellent read. Lynne Russell is a real champion! :cool:

3. You can't control everything; but if it makes you feel better, go with a simple law preventing violent offenders from buying firearms. Make it "violent" offenders rather than "white collar" offenders, or most of Capitol Hill won't be allowed to own them.
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If that is not the truth! :D
 
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