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So how apoplextic would they get if I said I did it with my 5 shot J frames
Not much into .357mag, but if . . . S&W 627.
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So how apoplextic would they get if I said I did it with my 5 shot J frames
Stainz
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But... what of the Zombie hordes? More is better... crew served is nice...
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CraigC
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I'm not talking about taking your time either. I am primarily a revolver shooter and most of those are single actions. That doesn't mean I take all day to manipulate my sixguns. I do it as quickly as I can. I guarantee you that I can fire five rounds and reload five rounds faster than your average auto shooter can do the same.
What I was really talking about this false economy (with regards to time) that some folks believe in. Yes, if you're in a gunfight, an auto can possibly reload faster, IF you have taken the time to practice your reloads. But at the range, auto shooters tend to forget the time they spend loading those magazines. If you shoot 100rds, you still have to load those 100rds. The only difference is how much you do at a time. Personally, although I love 1911's, I despise loading magazines and would much rather load six rounds and shoot six rounds, than to load four magazines and shoot four magazines.
I understand the range reloading thing, but consider this. Lots of people find tha actual act of shooting a revolver more fun and if you do not reload you will probably go thru less ammo and save some money. If you do reload, well no brass chasingOh, don't get me wrong. It isn't about being "undergunned". I want to make that clear before the thread continues. I have nothing but respect for the .357mag round! It is more about how often I'm stopping to reload while at the range. Sure, it is only two more rounds, but still, . . . less turnaround time. Of course, . . .there IS some argument that could say, "I wish I had had even one more round....". Unlikely [even with the UNlikelihood of ever even needing it for self defense].
Again, this is less of an issue with the Cowboy Action style gun. Unloading and loading it is part of the magic on those types of revolvers!
ARE Taurus revolvers ones to stay away from? I was on their site and saw the 7 round Raging Judge Magnum. That's quite the hoss!
SabbathWolf
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The whole Taurus thing is a can of worms.
Some people like 'em.
Others have nothing but trouble with them.
Me personally, I see no point in taking the chance either way.
I'd be more comfortable with a Ruger, Smith or Colt to begin with.
Some people like 'em.
Others have nothing but trouble with them.
Me personally, I see no point in taking the chance either way.
I'd be more comfortable with a Ruger, Smith or Colt to begin with.
Smith357
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That aspect is often overlooked. I have tested and timed 100 round load and shoots. If you start on equal footing you can load and fire 100 rounds from a revolver much faster than you can from a semi. Buy the time you load 17 rounds in your magazine I can shoot 18 from my .357
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Orion8472
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Okay, help me out on this one guys. Not following. It isn't possible for you to be quicker with a revolver than with a semi-auto specifically if you are talking about 18 rounds IF the semi-auto holds 18 in the magazine...trigger pulls being equal. The semi-auto guy doesn't have to eject and load up two times in that 18 shot match. Maybe if you're shooting 100 rounds, because many semi-autos take a bit to load up a full magazine. I will give you the "100 round match" being possible.
Go look up Jerry Miculek or Bob Munden on Youtube. The're so fast it's scary.
Yes, with practice you can be faster with a revolver than a semi-auto.
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Stainz
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Several years ago, a range friend needled me regarding my relying solely on revolvers. He said I would one day suffer from not being able to 'return sustained fire'. His hi-cap 9mm's and .45's, he reasoned, would put him in a better position, as he kept extra loaded mags. I sent him this picture:
That's over 100 loaded moonclips - 6 x 230gr FMJ in .45 ACP and my 625JM. They fit in 5 layers of 21 'clips in a metal .223 ammo box. I keep two such cases full and 30+ other moonclips in Tupperware boxes for range use. Admittedly, it's mostly ball ammo - but that's effective. It would take 206+ seven shot 1911 mags to equal that. I have since added a S&W Governor to share the .45 ACP duties... Zombie hordes beware!
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PS Moonclips are cheap - blued steel, like S&W sells, from the source are $35/100 shipped. I reload, so the ammo is reasonable, too.
That's over 100 loaded moonclips - 6 x 230gr FMJ in .45 ACP and my 625JM. They fit in 5 layers of 21 'clips in a metal .223 ammo box. I keep two such cases full and 30+ other moonclips in Tupperware boxes for range use. Admittedly, it's mostly ball ammo - but that's effective. It would take 206+ seven shot 1911 mags to equal that. I have since added a S&W Governor to share the .45 ACP duties... Zombie hordes beware!
Stainz
PS Moonclips are cheap - blued steel, like S&W sells, from the source are $35/100 shipped. I reload, so the ammo is reasonable, too.
Cocked & Locked
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Many Moons
Hey Stainz...I'm liking that picture! An abundance of moon clips sums it up well.
Plus, if needed, that revolver will still shoot without the moon clips. Of course we already know that...maybe not the dedicated auto guys though.
I've got automatic pistols but I'm a revolver fan big time. Might be the age thing I suppose.
Hey Stainz...I'm liking that picture! An abundance of moon clips sums it up well.
Plus, if needed, that revolver will still shoot without the moon clips. Of course we already know that...maybe not the dedicated auto guys though.
I've got automatic pistols but I'm a revolver fan big time. Might be the age thing I suppose.
Stainz
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Not all moonclip revolvers that are chambered for rimless cartridges, a la the 625 and the Governor, work well if at all, as in the Governor's case, without moonclips. Headspacing depends on where the mouth step is - and modern .45 ACP-only chambered revolvers - like the 325 & 625 series - seem a bit deep, lessening the primer strike of the firing pin, resulting in ftf's. The older 25's and 1917's seemed tighter tolerance - and were reliable with/without moonclips. The Governor's step is spaced for .45 Colts - the rimless .45 ACP cartridge, without the moonclip, falls deep into the Governor - 100% ftf's!
Now, moonclip conversions for rimmed cartridges, like the .38/.357 Magnum cartridges, headspace the rim on a vestigial outter ring left on the cylinder after the cylinder was dished out for moonclips. Simply stated, an 8-shot 627 works just as well with moonclips as it does without. This is true whether you have a 686 Pro or a 640 Pro, both delivered moonclip ready, too. One attribute of all of the current 8-shot S&W's, that is, everything but the 325NG which isn't moonclip-ready, is that they use an easier to find and more economical 8x moonclip - available for $75/100 shipped from R-P. If you've never used 'clipped RN .45 ACP's with a S&W 625JM, etc, you'll be impressed with the loading of the eight legged 'clips into your 627. If, however, you've grown accustomed to the like on a tractor beam reloading of said .45's, the spindly .38/.357's will be a lot slower. Still, that way - or the machined aluminum speedloader - they beat hand fed reloads! Just think... 100 'clips for a 627 - $75 + ammo - and you'd have 800 .357 Magnums ready - firepower! I have sixty - keep twelve loaded with defensive +P .38's; plinkers in the rest. I've never bought - or made - a real .357 Magnum!
Stainz
Now, moonclip conversions for rimmed cartridges, like the .38/.357 Magnum cartridges, headspace the rim on a vestigial outter ring left on the cylinder after the cylinder was dished out for moonclips. Simply stated, an 8-shot 627 works just as well with moonclips as it does without. This is true whether you have a 686 Pro or a 640 Pro, both delivered moonclip ready, too. One attribute of all of the current 8-shot S&W's, that is, everything but the 325NG which isn't moonclip-ready, is that they use an easier to find and more economical 8x moonclip - available for $75/100 shipped from R-P. If you've never used 'clipped RN .45 ACP's with a S&W 625JM, etc, you'll be impressed with the loading of the eight legged 'clips into your 627. If, however, you've grown accustomed to the like on a tractor beam reloading of said .45's, the spindly .38/.357's will be a lot slower. Still, that way - or the machined aluminum speedloader - they beat hand fed reloads! Just think... 100 'clips for a 627 - $75 + ammo - and you'd have 800 .357 Magnums ready - firepower! I have sixty - keep twelve loaded with defensive +P .38's; plinkers in the rest. I've never bought - or made - a real .357 Magnum!
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The 1917 Colts and S&W's are the ones I have experience with. My desire for a .45 ACP Mountain Gun has just diminished.
After the kimber solo cdp I ordered 2 weeks ago arrives and I get the ruger sr22 for the girlfriend to shoot the s&w 627pc will be my next gun. I think its one of the most beautiful wheel guns I've ever seen. That's my opinion of course, I'm sure most people will disagree.
Smith357
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Loading up moonclips is as slow or slower than loading magazines, but moon clips are much cheaper so you can have many more on hand.
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One annoying thing (to me) about moon clips is a couple of extra loaded ones are a pain to carry.
They are uncomfortable and heavy in my pockets and too noticeable and bulky in a belt carrier. Same goes for speedloaders.
One annoying thing (to me) about moon clips is a couple of extra loaded ones are a pain to carry.
They are uncomfortable and heavy in my pockets and too noticeable and bulky in a belt carrier. Same goes for speedloaders.
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Havok, . . . few people are Jerry Miculek or Bob Munden. You could say the same about those professionals who work with semi-autos. I'm talking more about the average person. Anyway, this is all for a different thread.
As for this thread, I have decided that if I get into a revolver, it will be something like the Ruger GP100 or the longer barrel SP101. I won't be carrying one anyway, so it would be just for fun. . . .thus I will go back on what I said [a bit] and say that 6 will be good enough. I may be interested in even one where you can use 9mm rounds. I have a supply of that, so it would make sense if a revolver I got had the option of using 9mm, . . . even if it required the moon clips.
As for this thread, I have decided that if I get into a revolver, it will be something like the Ruger GP100 or the longer barrel SP101. I won't be carrying one anyway, so it would be just for fun. . . .thus I will go back on what I said [a bit] and say that 6 will be good enough. I may be interested in even one where you can use 9mm rounds. I have a supply of that, so it would make sense if a revolver I got had the option of using 9mm, . . . even if it required the moon clips.
BCRider
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One item to consider in your quest for a wheelgun is how you will use it over time.
For myself simply standing and perforating paper gets old real quick. I got into shooting on the basis of being able to "play" at IPSC and IDPA and similar action style shooting.
Now for the point of this..... those events typically limit you to six rounds even if your gun has more holes except in the more open categories. And even if you do only shoot at the range if you invest in a loading board and a dozen speed loaders you'd be surprised at how fast you can slip in a new "six pack" and get back to shooting.
There's also the issue that the 8 round revolvers are based on the bigger and heavier N frame. If you insist on high capacity revolvers of this sort you'll miss out on the lovely feel and balance of the K frame guns.
C&L, have you considered or tried three round half moon clips for carry? Three round half moons would sit in a pocket with no more bulge than a handfull of change. They take a touch longer to load but it's still faster to dump in two half moons than to fiddle with six separate rounds or a speed strip.
For myself simply standing and perforating paper gets old real quick. I got into shooting on the basis of being able to "play" at IPSC and IDPA and similar action style shooting.
Now for the point of this..... those events typically limit you to six rounds even if your gun has more holes except in the more open categories. And even if you do only shoot at the range if you invest in a loading board and a dozen speed loaders you'd be surprised at how fast you can slip in a new "six pack" and get back to shooting.
There's also the issue that the 8 round revolvers are based on the bigger and heavier N frame. If you insist on high capacity revolvers of this sort you'll miss out on the lovely feel and balance of the K frame guns.
C&L, have you considered or tried three round half moon clips for carry? Three round half moons would sit in a pocket with no more bulge than a handfull of change. They take a touch longer to load but it's still faster to dump in two half moons than to fiddle with six separate rounds or a speed strip.
Cocked & Locked
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2 x 3 = 6
Yes Sir I've some half moons clips and you are right about easier carry. Here's a couple of them posing with my S&W 1917 US Property.
Yes Sir I've some half moons clips and you are right about easier carry. Here's a couple of them posing with my S&W 1917 US Property.
Elm Creek Smith
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About as apoplectic as they do when I qualify with my nickel-plated Model 37 (no dash) Airweight backup.
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MCgunner
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I prefer 5 shooters. 8 shooters are too fat to carry concealed. In .357, the SP101 is my favorite. If you can't stop a threat with 5 magnums, you deserve to be dead.
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Some semi-autos are tough to load. The ones I have are not. I can load my CZ SP-01 quite quickly, even without a speed loader. Five Seven magazines are even quicker with the "push straight down" magazine loading.
Some may be fast at loading, shooting, unloading, realoading a revolver. I'm personally quicker with the semi-auto.
Some may be fast at loading, shooting, unloading, realoading a revolver. I'm personally quicker with the semi-auto.
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