noticed an interesting contradiction in posts recently.

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SO.. a couple months ago I saw a thread where someone (i forget who and am too tired to do a thorough search) posted a thread about selling problem guns. Have you ever "unloaded" a problematic gun? The overall response was pretty much a resounding NO. Nobody here sells guns that experience ftf, fte, or any other ft (insert first letter of malfunction here that you experience)...OR.. If they do, they should tell the prospective buyer ALL ABOUT the issues ... right :barf:

THEN, read someone's thread about a problematic gun and within the first couple responses someone will inevitably recommend "unloading" it at the next gun show or at next opportunity... Seems to be just a slight contradiction going on here... Maybe it is just me.

I don't really have an issue either way. Sell problem guns, destroy them, or tuck them in a closet somewhere. I just get annoyed over contradictions.:scrutiny:


rant over... breathe in... breathe out.
 
WHAT!?!!??

People LIE? No way... and nobody here has ever had their glock malfunction either, their perfect in every way.

it is what it is. I just don't see the point of lying about it. I have never knowingly sold a "problem" gun. I like to tinker and figure things out. I have sold 2 guns that have had issues, both were disclosed and the buyer bought them with complete knowledge of them and didn't seem to worry.

I have been on the receiving end of buying a pile of crap. It sucks and it happens.

JOe
 
A friend told me some time ago that people sell their problems. It's just like buying any other used item and buyer beware. I've had good luck with used goods (cars and guns) thus far but I spend some time checking things out before I buy.
 
Like no one ever unloaded a car they were sick of fixing. 'Transmission went out, fuel pump, water pump etc. Trade it off before something else goes out....." whats the difference? Buy a used 'anything' you ought to know you may be buying a lemon.
 
It depends on what is wrong with the gun. I have never sold a gun that had any serious problems without telling the buyer and offering it at a fair price to reflect the issues.

I have sold/traded a lot of rifles that I could not get to shoot to my satisfaction. Most shooters would be pleased with a gun that shoots around 1.5" groups at 100 yards, but even though I may not need it, I like better. Since I buy used 95% of the time I can usually get my money back and move on to something else. If they ask about accuracy I describe what the gun will do as accurately as possible.
 
Selling it without disclosing the issue is messed up & shouldn't be done.
 
A friend told me some time ago that people sell their problems. It's just like buying any other used item and buyer beware. I've had good luck with used goods (cars and guns) thus far but I spend some time checking things out before I buy.
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This is where knowing what to look for, being inquisitive and just generally being a good judge of character comes into play. I personally have never sold something to get rid of a problem child; I fix 'em first, sometimes to the detriment of my bank account. I actually took care of the last couple issues on my Jeep Cherokee the morning of the day I traded it off. I've also spotted problems with prospective purchases and either used that in negotiations or walked away. While a time or two people were trying to hide it, most of the time I believe they were simply unaware of the issue.

Selling or trading a lemon without disclosure is unethical.
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But not illegal in most cases.
 
I got a different problem. I sold a gun to an aquaintance that was perfect. He couldn't get through a magazine without a jam. I took it back and shot two USPSA matches with it and about 1200 practice rounds with no problems.

One of us is jinxed. He still thinks I tried to stick it to him.
 
I got a different problem. I sold a gun to an aquaintance that was perfect. He couldn't get through a magazine without a jam. I took it back and shot two USPSA matches with it and about 1200 practice rounds with no problems.

One of us is jinxed. He still thinks I tried to stick it to him.
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Even when you're honest, you still get screwed. Moral of the story? LIE! LIE! LIE!:evil:
 
i accidentaly sold a problem gun. it was an uberti stalion in 22lr. i bought it mostly because it looked more "original" than the single six, and because i was rimfire poor and wanted a gun for my neices to use when we went shooting. first time we took it out they had difficulties cocking the hammer, and accuracy was terible. i "unloaded" it. the guy i sold it to contacted me a few days later and told me the chambers were under sized. luckily beretta didn't bat an eyelash at making it right, but i think he thought that i had tried to sneak one past him.
 
That's something I've been wondering about since I first joined this and other forums. People speak about their problem guns and then somewhere in the post they say they sold it. I think that's a pretty bad thing to do to a fellow firearms enthusiast...
 
I sold the first gun I ever bought because it was a problem. I bought a Chinese SKS when I was 18, and because my father wasn't a gun person, I learned everything on my own in those days. I didn't even know what cosmoline was, let alone that I had to remove it.

The gun slam fired most of a full magazine (it was detachable) one day at the range. I sold it that week, but I told the dealer what happened. He said he could fix it, and didn't low ball me too bad. He said it was a "worn sear". I'd later learn that it was probably because I didn't clean it properly. Lesson learned. I didn't just sell it "as is", and although I took a loss on the price, my conscience came through intact.
 
i have only had one problem gun ever. it was the least expensive, but most accurate gun i ever owned, but it had huge issues. it was a ruger p345, i sent it off to ruger and they fixed it, and i made sure of that. i sold it to my dad who new all about the issues it had before. i tested it alot before i sold it, there were never any issues again, and he has not had any either, with factory, reloads or anything, he loves it. i just can't trust it any more after all the issues it had and the headaches that it caused. it runs great now and i know that but i could never bring my self to use it for defense. my dad is totally confident in it, i told him about the issues but the only thing that he has witnessed with it, it pure accuracy and reliability.
 
My only "problem gun" came that way from the factory. My Hi-Point 995 didn't have the bolt carrier tapped to screw in the charging handle.

Two years later and I still haven't bothered sending it in, since I can still charge it without it being screwed in properly. Apathy is a fierce foe.
 
Vonderek, "Selling or trading a lemon without disclosure is unethical." Consider how long ago it was when the Romans ginned up the saying, "Caveat emptor."

I wouldn't knowingly sell a gun that I thought was dangerous--or I'd at least bring that into the open without being asked. Other than that I can see no problem in standing there mute until the prospect asks me a question (but the question had better be reasonably specific, not just fishing) and then I'd answer that question honestly.
 
How is this the High Road when people do immoral unethical things because it is not illegal?
 
I have a problem gun right now. Bought it new. Fail to feed, stove pipe, slide hang up. Couldn’t get through the “break-in” rounds before I got so disgusted that I quit. Talked to mfr rep and got BS.

It’s a pocket gun for self defense. I won’t use it and I won’t sell it because someone might use it for a carry gun and it fail when their life depends on it.

It’s in the back corner of the closet, in the box, and I’m thinking of taking my SawZall to it just so it never gets depended on.

$500 down the drain. It’s not the first time I’ve been “took” and probably won’t be the last, but I’m not about to “take” someone else. I have to live with myself.
 
I don't sell guns. Thus, many ethical problems are avoided.

I've traded a few clunkers to optimists who said that they knew how to fix 'em, after I told them what was broken.

I've pawned away functional R/Gs, Ravens, and such that I didn't want to keep. And you don't sell guns like those to a friend, anyway.

I admit to selling a few guns, long ago, when in dire financial need, although every single one was either a good working gun or a declared wall-hanger.

But, as a policy, I don't sell guns.
 
I think the problem here is people lie about whether they lie or not, so why ask the question? Don't answer, I really don't care, and would not want anyone to lie, anyway.........:neener:
 
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