george burns
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The gun has a 200 dollar rebate, from H&K, and slick guns had them as low as . $750, if you have been waiting for a deal, this is it.
Now is the time to get a P30
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mgmorden
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Good deal, but the VP9 is already about in the same price range and I'd prefer that one. If they had a rebate going on that too then I'd certainly jump on it 
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el Godfather
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I like H&K guns but VP9 failed to impress me. To me it felt like a step backwards or sideways from the P30
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I wonder if the rebate will still be around when Santa comes next month?
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I have both and I shoot the VP9 better all the way around. I love the P30 but I have to concentrate more to get everything right. The VP9 just does things naturally, in my opinion. The back strap places my hand high up on the grip. I love the interchangeable side panels and back grip. I explored the combinations and it is custom fitted for my hand.The trigger is really nice and smooths out with use. The gun returns on target very easily and naturally after recoil/muzzle rise. The accuracy is astounding to me compared to any out-of-the box pistol I have owned. Can't go wrong with either of these "top shelf" pistols.
Impureclient
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Unfortunately HK guns have suddenly increased in price. I did not see that coming. Look at my shocked face -_- USP9 I was looking at suddenly jumped up $50.
I did not see that coming. Look at my shocked face -_- USP9 I was looking at suddenly jumped up $50.
earlthegoat2
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Im a big fan of the P2000 line. Particularly the SK with the LEM. It is a very concealable pistol with excellent ergonomics.
Having shot the VP9 back to back with my V1 P30, the P30 is definitely softer shooting with the same ammo. I also prefer it's light LEM trigger to the striker. Easier to take the slack out as you're bringing the gun up to firing position.
The VP9 is very nice and very accurate, but I prefer the P30. The VP9 is also closer in size to the P30L.
The VP9 is very nice and very accurate, but I prefer the P30. The VP9 is also closer in size to the P30L.
I don't own any polymer pistols, and do love my CZ 75b glossy blue model. But I was at a Gander Mountain in PA and I told the guy behind the counter that I was alergic to plastic guns. He had a big smile and told me he hated Glocks but had THE plastic pistol to own if you only liked steel guns. He handed me a P30 and it was love at first grip. Fantastic feel in the hand, solid gun made like a tank and beautiful finish inside and out, most importantly inside. Polished feed ramp, no machine marks, etc. When I saw the price at $1,050 my hearts skipped a few beats. But now with the rebate and some places selling them for $750/$800.............Still, I can get a VP9 for under $600 anytime and some people prefer them. I have never had a striker fired pistol so don't really know what it is like. Any other advantages/disadvantages between the two that you guys can help me with?
Why is there a $200/$250 difference in price between the two? What do they not do on the VP9 that allows such a price delta? Thanks,
9 fingers
Why is there a $200/$250 difference in price between the two? What do they not do on the VP9 that allows such a price delta? Thanks,
9 fingers
Phaedrus/69
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The rebate runs to the end of the year. It's kind of hard to compare the P30 to the VP9. Superficially they're quite similar in feel. The grips are very similar but the P30 is rougher. The VP9 is cut out higher up the frame so the bore axis is lower vs the P30. The P30 feels just a tiny bit more "solid" but it's very subtle.
I have both but my P30S has a Gray Guns trigger so it's hard to really compare them. It's telling though that my bone stock VP9 shoots just as well as my tricked out P30S! Both run very flat at high speed, both are very accurate and neither of them has had any malfunctions or issues.
The strong suit of the P30 is versatility. You can get it in many different configuration. If you're an old-school cocked-and-locked guy like I am/have been you can get an "S" version which works great that way. That said if you prefer a point-and-shoot system with no safety lever I'd hard pressed to think of any reason to pick the P30 with the LEM over the VP9. I guess the one advantage of the hammer fired LEM is that you can keep your thumb on the hammer while you holster the gun; this will prevent any possibility that the gun could fire if something got in the trigger guard.
I can't imagine I'd ever part with my P30S! It's got Trijicon HDs and a GG trigger job so I'd never get my money out of nor would I ever want to drop the cash to replace it. Mostly though it's my favorite CCW gun. I hope to never have to draw a weapon or get into a gunfight but if I ever do I want my P30S with me that day. The VP9 will probably be in that same category when I get another thousand round through it but right now the P30S is my TNT CCW.
I have both but my P30S has a Gray Guns trigger so it's hard to really compare them. It's telling though that my bone stock VP9 shoots just as well as my tricked out P30S! Both run very flat at high speed, both are very accurate and neither of them has had any malfunctions or issues.
The strong suit of the P30 is versatility. You can get it in many different configuration. If you're an old-school cocked-and-locked guy like I am/have been you can get an "S" version which works great that way. That said if you prefer a point-and-shoot system with no safety lever I'd hard pressed to think of any reason to pick the P30 with the LEM over the VP9. I guess the one advantage of the hammer fired LEM is that you can keep your thumb on the hammer while you holster the gun; this will prevent any possibility that the gun could fire if something got in the trigger guard.
I can't imagine I'd ever part with my P30S! It's got Trijicon HDs and a GG trigger job so I'd never get my money out of nor would I ever want to drop the cash to replace it. Mostly though it's my favorite CCW gun. I hope to never have to draw a weapon or get into a gunfight but if I ever do I want my P30S with me that day. The VP9 will probably be in that same category when I get another thousand round through it but right now the P30S is my TNT CCW.
Thanks Phaedrus, the feel of the grip, not slippery and shaped really well, was the first thing that got me. I had gone to this shop to check out the Walther PPQ M2 and it was nice, but not as nice as the P30. I had previously handled a Beretta PX4 and did not like it at all. Felt like my hands were sweaty even when they weren't, and then when I looked inside.....plastic feed ramp...part of the frame...really? Obviously some guns are designed to make money on parts after the fact. Anway, I don't mind the DA/Sa trigger as that is what my CZs have and it is not an issue. We can't carry hear in NJ so I want an H&K because I like to collect and shoot really good guns.
Thanks,
9 fingers
Thanks,
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AustinTX
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You've dismissed the gun on a mistaken assumption. If the grip texture doesn't work for you, that's obviously a legitimate complaint. The feed ramp complaint is not.
That's because it's not a feed ramp -- it's just a cutout. The feed ramp is on the barrel. The gun uses a rotating barrel action and does not need the extended feed ramp required on a pistol with a tilt-barrel action. As with the 92 series pistols, which also feature non-tilting barrels, rounds feed close to in-line with the barrel. The 92FS I've mistreated the most over the years is coming up on 35,000 rounds, and the anodized cutout on the frame is not worn down. That's because, as with the PX4, it serves to make space, not to actively feed the rounds. There's no need for the round to ride up an extended feed ramp on either model -- which is part of why the guns feed at least as reliably as anything out there.
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Chris Sarno
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Kind of hard to compare them? They are the same exact pistol frame, the VP9 is HK's long looked for fix to its screwed up P30 design. I wouldn't purchase either or, the VP9's bore axis is just as high as it is on the P30, it still has half of the P30's stupid ambi slide release levers, which I might add look utterly ridiculous on the right side of the VP.
According to word on the street HK is going belly up, and I see no reason to doubt this, they are apparently under water to the tune of $300,000,000 or so. What most tickles my fancy is the sudden embracing of striker fired pistols by the HK fan club, who as a collective spared no opportunity to bash Glock.
Now a desperate and failing HK has made themselves a Glock, which right on cue its hardcore base is trumpeting as the best thing since, well the P30, which nobody is buying because it sucks, and has absolutely zero accessories available for it, and requires expensive modifications to make it comfortable to shoot.
I predict that even at $200.00 off, not many will be selling. If you're suddenly enamored of striker fired, you can do way better than the VP9, Glock, Walther, and S&W all make superior pistols for less moola.
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That's cool -- I'm not trying to sway you toward the PX4. If I were looking to buy a poly pistol right now, I would be all over HK's rebate; anything else could wait. It sounds like its grip texture should rule the PX4 out from the start for you anyway.
I just wanted to address this fairly common misconception about the gun. These threads pop up in people's Google searches on different guns, so the post was just in the interest of having accurate information floating in the internet ether.
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I always urge young folk to go and shoot a P30 before marrying yourself to one, discover first how awful they are to shoot, then make your decision from there.
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I'll admit (1) that I don't put a lot of attention into polymer pistols and (2) that I think HKs are generally a bit overhyped, but this take strikes me as a bit extreme.
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I have had a hankering for the V1 Lem p30 since a guy I met won the IPSC title with one from Shooters, lawman supplies the old Knights /Stoner factory factory that moved where they manufactured the guns for the military. Once I felt his trigger I kinda was sold. Now it's just a gun store that caters to Law enforcement, but the plant is still there. They don't sell guns under MSRP other than to cops. But I got to talking to the sales mgr and he let me handle his p30 and it was sweet. He said the 3.8 lb trigger with the ling slide, was the way to go.
Not a big talker but a 1000 round a week shooter, "according to the Leo's who were up there picking up their Colts.
I didn't think he was lying due to all the cops that were there to validate his story.
Not a big talker but a 1000 round a week shooter, "according to the Leo's who were up there picking up their Colts.
I didn't think he was lying due to all the cops that were there to validate his story.
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Chris Sarno said:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've never actually held a VP9, amiright?
Your statement is, if I may be so indelicate, completely asinine. Try to swap slides between a the two- I'll wait. They're superficially similar but the only part that will swap between the two guns is the magazine. And if you actually had access to the two pistols to hold next to each other it would be patently obvious that the cutout of the VP9 is higher up into the frame. And the slightest understanding of the way both guns mechanically operate would explain why (hint- it has to do with the hammer spring running under the backstrap of one of the guns but not the other).Chris Sarno said:
Well I wouldn't call their interest sudden. HK made striker fired guns back when Gaston was making folding chairs or whatever he used to do. They quit making striker fired guns and poly guns long before Glock was even an idea. HK's financials aren't great, that's true, but your figures are a ways off. Like a zero off. As far as bashing Glock I havent' seen any of that here.
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Did your mom leave your dad for an HK executive or something?
Someone must have took a real sour leak in your Wheaties this morning. The P30 has enough accessories- especially since it really doesn't need anything beyond a holster. It's the most comfortable gun OOTB I've ever found. Aside from the VP9 I've never seen any other gun with a grip as customizable as the P30. What can you change about a Glock? The backstrap? The P30 and VP9 have three removeable grip sections with 27 possible combinations. There's nothing else on the market that I am aware of that can be customized to that degree. As far as sales the P30 has done pretty well. But of course it's like a BMW, an expensive item that will never sell as many units as a cheaper car like a Honda Civic. But I guess if sheer numbers is the only factor then the AK47 is the finest firearm ever made and the Big Mac is the highest quality bit of culinary perfection you can buy.Chris Sarno said:
There's no rebate on the VP9, just the USP, P30, HK45 & MR lines. But it's selling very well so far, to the point that Moody's has noted it in the financial forecast for HK as a positive. As for quality I'll leave that to everyone to judge for themselves. I have owned Glocks and found them to be greatly inferior to HK in every way save price- they're okay for cheapie guns. My Gen 1 G22 was the best Glock I've ever had but I upgrades to a USP almost two decades ago. Since then each gen of Glock has been progressively worse IMOHO. I'll probably never buy another one. The Glock trigger is markedly inferior to that of the VP9. I find the Glock to have the poorest factory trigger of any striker gun, slightly below the Shield (which isn't really great either). The only competition for trigger quality IMOHO is the PPQ; that one is arguably as good or better than the VP9. I'm quite fond of Walther and would love to add a PPQ M1 and maybe a PPS to my collection.
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