NRA initiating lawsuits?

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Guy B. Meredith

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Just caught part of comment that sounded like NRA initiating lawsuits in places like Chicago as a result of Heller. Anyone have the facts?
 
You all better read the entire descision. This reading is going to have very very far eraching effects. I gaurantee if I were a resident of Illinois or Wisconsin, I would be suing for my concealed handgun permit. This descision is huge.
 
Well, the NRA didn't initiate Heller, thus I don't think they'll be doing anything soon.

I did hear about several citizens who were going to submit suits the day of or day after heller was decided, but I don't see any specifics as of yet. (Kind of premature anyway, given the decision).
 
FoxNews 5min Ago...

....had Lapierre (sp?) on and said by days end - tommorrow at the latest - lawsuits would be filed in Chicago and other cities.
 
If the NRA really, really wants to silence critics in the gun rights community, a few lawsuits now would win them massive kudos.

who knows, even GOA might be forced to say something nice.

there is a definite and real window of opportunity here for every gun rights group with a competant lawyer to start hitting federal and state laws.
 
Well, the NRA didn't initiate Heller, thus I don't think they'll be doing anything soon.
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The NRA didn't initiate Heller because they thought, in their judgment, it was a bad gamble. They were wrong, but barely wrong (5-4, with some hedging in the decision probably to get 5).

Now that this is done, some other cases are a much better gamble, and my bet is they're reassessing the odds.

MrTuffPaws - there are some cases the 9th Circus decided based on "collective rights" BS --- oops, jurisprudence --- to uphold California's gun laws. These could possibly be challenged really soon.
 
If the NRA really, really wants to silence critics in the gun rights community, a few lawsuits now would win them massive kudos.

who knows, even GOA might be forced to say something nice.

there is a definite and real window of opportunity here for every gun rights group with a competant lawyer to start hitting federal and state laws.
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Criticism of nra isn't just criticism, it's based on nra's past and current support for gun control.

^ I agree. If NRA does initiate and fund a pro-gun lawsuit, they will make headlines and show members that the dues actually do make a difference.
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Yes. When I was a member many years ago, it seemed like my dues just paid for more mailings for me to throw away. More gimmicks and next to no substance.

Lapierre's apparent desire to quickly jump on this is a good sign. Too bad he didn't help out KT Ordnance this fast (or at all).
 
"If NRA does initiate and fund a pro-gun lawsuit, they will make headlines and show members that the dues actually do make a difference."

If you don't think dues and contributions to the NRA-ILA and NRA-PVF have already made a difference you haven't been paying much attention.

John
 
Can I sue the ATF for failing to accept 200 dollar tax stamp payments for post 1986 machine guns?

If I submit a form, declaring I wish to assemble my own machine-gun, contingent upon approval of the form (form 1 to make/register a firearm) and they refuse the form, stating they will not accept any form 1 for a machine gun from a civilian, can I then sue them?
 
If lower courts are honest, they'll immediately overturn challenged outright bans based on Heller. Heller sets a massive precedent. If they're dishonest, then the cases might have to be appealed all the way to SCOTUS.
 
15 minutes after the decision was read the Illinois State Rifle Association, and the Second Amendment Foundation filed lawsuits against Chicago and some of it's surrounding suburbs. The NRA and others are expected to do the same.

This is a great day for freedom loving Americans!!!
 
My question about the ATF is legitimate. They were only ever given authority to raise revenue via the 1934 NFA, but since they have refused to accept tax stamps for machine guns for civilians not registered before 1986, the law has become a de facto ban, something they were never authorized to do, and something the Constitution does not permit the government to engage in.

With a few past rulings, combined now with the Heller ruling, it would seem that the situation should be one where the 1934 NFA stays in place, but that the 1986 Hughes provision is gone, as it is an outright ban on a certain category of firearms.
 
but since they have refused to accept tax stamps for machine guns for civilians not registered before 1986, the law has become a de facto ban, something they were never authorized to do, and something the Constitution does not permit the government to engage in.
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The ATF isn't doing that arbitrarily, they have the standing of law.

Constitutional or not, the law says they can't add to the machinegun database.
There is nothing I see in Heller that would change that, they simply left too many openings.

"Common use", "reasonable restriction".

There just isn't any meat to today's ruling to overturn any of that yet.

Even Hughes says you can still have machineguns, just certain ones. That will be argued endlessly that it's "reasonable".

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Amends: H.R.4332
Sponsor: Rep Hughes, William J. [NJ-2] (offered 4/10/1986)

AMENDMENT DESCRIPTION:
An amendment to make it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun except in the case of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date of enactment.

AMENDMENT TITLE: *** TITLE NOT FOUND ***

STATUS:

4/10/1986:
Amendment Offered by Representative Hughes.
4/10/1986:
Amendment Passed in Committee of the Whole by Voice Vote.
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EOT, no, not yet. There needs to be several waves of litigation before any challenge to the NFA is made.

Right now we need incorporation as incorporation will lead to freeing our brothers in California, Illinois, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts. That means the handgun prohibitions of Morton Grove, Oak Park and Chicago in the Seventh Circuit must be next.

Incorporation will lead us to abolish the onerous restrictions at the state level where the antis have made too much progress. Federal provisions of the SSA/GCA/NFA will all come much later.

We need to plow the fields deep first before we dine on NFA fruits.:D
 
If someone wanted to give money to support these lawsuits, where should it go? NRA, NRA-ILA, NRA-PVF, other?? Which group is actually going to foot the bill on these suits?
 
Heartily welcomed the SCOTUS Heller decision...but wish it had been stronger than 5:4. Antis were already predicting today on talk radio that "when we take over new judges will be appointed with different views"..."battle ain't over", but a nice victory just the same!
 
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