NRA Meeting in Pittsburgh

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Just walked back in the door from the NRA Meeting in Pittsburgh.

The 'burgh is always one of my favorite places to visit, but especially this weekend:p

Lot's of signs around town advertising "4 acres of guns and gear":evil:

Ted Nugent was awesome.....Sandra Froman was exceptional in her speech....

I have way to much gun porn to go through for the next couple of weeks:cool:

I'll post more as the thread develops......if you've never been to the Annual Meeting, you need to go!
 
Great! I do wish I coulda gone and met up with you and Spot ... but this weekend developed such that I KNOW I could never have made it! Still wish I could have tho.

I will be more than a little interested to hear more about it .... in particular .. how much success you felt anti's had with ''disrupting'' etc.

Bet it was seething with people!! :)
 
CZ 75 BD,

Next year is in Houston....more in your neck of the woods.

P95.....we did not see ANY protestors.....closest thing were the "Sportsmen for Kerry" people handing out stickers. Did see one piece of graffiti saying "NRA equals Hate":rolleyes:

We saw lots of guns that us MDers never get to see:fire:: Para Ordnance, new SIGS, Kahr, Colt...sure I'm missing some others.

I got a lot of help from the MEC guys with questions about my new-to-me MEC sizemaster. He gave me a lesson, explained the loading manual, etc.....

Checked out some prescription shooting glasses for the trap range.
 
I heard no mention of the 2005 convention, but I do hope it's somewhere within driving distance of Maryland.

It truly was a great event. I was not a member, but had to join to get into the convention. I went ahead and got the lifetime membership, and I'd urge everybody here to do the same. even a year membership is well worth it - $35. We need to make our voice stronger (I was VERY inspired by Ted Nugent's no BS, non politically correct speech where he urged us to turn the NRA into a 24 million strong group instead of the meager 4 million currently).

Yup - 4 acres of guns and gear. I took some pictures on a disposable camera, so I'll get them put on a cd and uploaded here within the week. There were some VERY impressive displays...and it was great to be able to dry fire almost every gun there....in fact, it was encouraged!

I'd love to hear others' take on the event. Wish we would've seen some people we know attend:(

Many area restaurants had "Welcome NRA Members" signs posted - very refreshing, even if it was in the entrepeneurial spirit only.
 
I was just thinking about the quotes of the weekend.....

First one to come to mind is....a few "disadvantaged youth" were hanging around the doors near the river side entrance when we walked out for dinner with our badges on. One guy asked if it cost anything to get in....I responded that it was free but that you had to be a member to get in. He was incensed....."what do you mean I have to be a member?":rolleyes:

also....SIG rep commiserating over our comments about not being able to get SIGs in MD anymore....."We'll have some products out soon as we can do it without having to hike our prices up on you guys"

oh....P95, I just remembered about protestors....a NRA News correspondent was interviewing some 14 year old automaton for the antis and the kid was just spewing every talking point memo that he had been fed.....the commentator kept his cool and just asked a series of questions. The kid melted down and just went into "circular argument mode"
 
I coudn't make it to Pittsburgh this year but I will be in Houston next year. I attended Reno and Orlando in 2002-03. I always try to arrange family vacations during this time.

By the way, how many protestors were there? Last year in Orlando I think I saw maybe 12.
 
Ranger,

We did not see anyone actively protesting....but then again, we didn't go to the VPs speech when it appears they were there.



I just remembered another poignant moment. During the opening of the Annual Meeting of Members, they figure out who the youngest and oldest life members present are. The youngest was, I think, one year old. The oldest was a gentleman who was going to be 99 years old this year. Apparently he has held this honor for a couple of years.

He delivered a no nonsense speech in an unfaltering and strong voice. His bottom line was that if we want to keep our guns, we MUST get out there and do more.
 
This is what Spot77 and I almost stumbled upon as we were leaving Pittsburgh.....had we been a few minutes earlier to the Monroeville toll booth we would have been in the middle of this shoot out:



Sheraden woman slain after gunman abducts her and infant daughter from church services
Suspect led police on long chase; baby unharmed
Monday, April 19, 2004

By Nate Guidry and Don Hopey, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Victorious Faith Evangelic Outreach Church choir director Andrea Umphrey was singing with the Sheraden congregation as she did every Sunday morning when a man walked in, grabbed her by the hair, smacked her with a gun and fired shots at men who tried to help her.

She left the church alive after being forced into a red minivan with her infant daughter by Alvin Starks, said church members. Starks had reportedly just been in the Allegheny County Jail for violating a court order to stay away from Umphrey, congregation members said.

Hours later and some 20 miles away, she was fatally shot inside the van near the Monroeville toll booths of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. Though police set up roadblocks and tire-deflating devices and had dozens of police vehicles in pursuit of the van on a roundabout chase between Allegheny and Westmoreland counties, they were unable to stop the vehicle.

Starks, 30, was shot in the arm and hospitalized, although state police declined to discuss whether shots were fired by the police at the scene of the busy turnpike interchange. They also would not say who fired the bullet that struck Umphrey in the abdomen. She was pronounced dead at 4:10 p.m. at Mercy Hospital.

Her daughter, Aliya, was uninjured, but Umphrey's family and a congregation of 130 people who had gathered to praise God on a glorious morning were left devastated.

Church member Robert Owens was grazed by a bullet from Starks' gun inside the one-story orange brick church on Sherwood Avenue and Bergman Street, just moments after the suspect tried to shoot Owens' father. The gun misfired on Umphrey's first protector, but not the second.

"God spared my life and my father's life,'' said Owens, whose dark gray sweater had a tear over the right shoulder from the bullet. He did not require medical attention.

"That man pointed the gun at my father and pulled the trigger, but the gun didn't go off. Then he turned it on me and shot without hesitation. He wanted his girlfriend and his kid and that was that."

Some details of the abduction, chase and shooting were still unclear yesterday evening. But according to witnesses and police, Starks had previously threatened Umphrey, 35, of Sheraden, since the birth of their 10-month-old child. She had obtained a protection from abuse order against him. Starks was recently arrested and jailed for violating the PFA.

Parishioners said Starks entered the church, a block from Langley High School, and walked halfway down the left aisle to where Umphrey was sitting with their child.

They said Starks grabbed Umphrey by the hair, pulled a gun from a shoulder bag and punched her in the face with it. After firing at those who tried to intervene, he waved the gun and told people to back off as he dragged Umphrey and her child out of the front door of the church and across Sherwood Avenue.

During the struggle, Umphrey dropped the baby in the middle of the street. After picking up the child, Starks pushed Umphrey into his van, parked about 30 yards away on Bergman Street.

Starks, Umphrey and the child sat in the vehicle for 20 to 30 minutes as police, called by several members of the congregation, began to arrive and set up crime scene tape and roadblocks. Teens and adults gathered in a grassy lot adjacent to the high school and in a basketball court a block away.

As police called for a second hostage negotiator and snipers to be brought to the scene at 2:45 p.m., Starks sped off down Bergman Street, turned right onto Hillsboro Street, skirted a police roadblock and sped down Chartiers Avenue and through the Corliss Tunnel with at least 10 police cars in pursuit.

"He was just sitting in his car on Bergman for 20 minutes or so when he backed up, then sped forward down Bergman. Police had roadblocks everywhere. I don't see how he got away," said Bill Smith, who was watching from the corner of Sherwood Avenue and Sheraden Boulevard.

Congregation members began to emerge from the church only after Starks drove away, as police had locked them in for their safety for about an hour. Many seemed stunned by what they had seen. Several women were crying.

Donald Reid, who could see Umphrey during the service, said Starks moved fast when he entered the church.

"The guy came in real quick, pulled his gun and punched the woman in the face with it, then pulled her out by the hair," Reid said. "He shot one of the brothers in church while everyone was still singing and praising the Lord."

Nekodie Mudd, another congregation member, said Starks had caused trouble at the church before.

"Yes, he had come by before, two or three months ago, and gave us a hard time," Mudd said.

Starks drove the minivan out of the West End and onto the Parkway East, exiting at Squirrel Hill and driving with as many as 30 different police cars in pursuit through that neighborhood, East Liberty and Wilkinsburg and back onto the parkway, according to state police Trooper Robin Mungo. He drove through the Monroeville turnpike interchange and onto the turnpike, driving in excess of 70 mph until spotting a police barricade near the New Stanton exit in the form of a Stinger Stop Spikes tire deflation device.

Mungo said Starks used an emergency turn area to make a U-turn before the exit and headed back west toward Pittsburgh, exiting at Monroeville before he would have encountered another spikes strip set up by police. At the Monroeville toll area, he encountered traffic and struck two vehicles, one of them the red convertible in which Sondra Dugan, of North Huntingdon, was riding, along with her daughter and granddaughter.

Dugan said police were on the scene quickly and she heard shots fired.

"Cops surrounded the van and I heard several shots fired," said Dugan, who was with family members in the car. "It all happened so fast. We heard gunfire and my daughter grabbed by granddaughter and they hit the floor. The suspect looked me directly into the eye, and police pulled him out of the van."

Mungo said at least two bullets were fired, one striking Umphrey in the abdomen and the other lodging in the side sliding door on the passenger side of the van. She declined to comment on who did the shooting.

Starks was shot in the right arm. His condition was not available. His arraignment was pending.

The infant was put in the custody of Allegheny County Children, Youth and Families caseworkers.
 
Norton

You need to put that in another thread if it hasn't already been... maybe with the heading "For all you guys who carry everywhere but church..."
 
I went around 3PM Saturday. There were about 3 protesters. There might have been more earlier.

I had ball. It was great getting to play with some guns you'll never be able to buy like the H&K MP7 and UMP.

I wish FN had brought a P90 and M249 PARA I could hold.
 
CZ 75 BD....as much as I'd like to think that I'll make it next year, this time of the year is unbelievable for me as far as professional engagements go. As it was, I got home from a gig Friday at 11pm, picked up Spot77 and 5:30am and made it to Pittsburgh by 9:45am. Got home last night at 10:30pm and was in the building by 7am this morning:eek:

If things lighten up next Spring, I'll be there....never been to Houston.
 
If Kerry gets elected, there's no doubt we'll be there.

We won't have anything else to do since we'll just quit our jobs and wait for the wealth to be redistributed.:fire:
 
That brings up a point that I forgot to mention that was made by Sandra Froman....

She made the point that several supreme court justices are suspected to retire soon. The winner of the 2004 election will be the one to appoint the new justices.....

Do you REALLY want Kerry to make those appointments and then have a 2nd ammendment ruling made:what:
 
Found this on FreeRepublic
A young visitor to the final day of the 133rd National Rifle Association convention wears a shirt expressing his views as he looks at a rack of rifles on display Sunday, April 18, 2004, in Pittsburgh. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)
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Nice to see a kid enjoying the convention. I wonder if he wears that shirt to school. :eek:

Kharn
 
Nice to see a kid enjoying the convention. I wonder if he wears that shirt to school.

Nope....he would be asked to leave. However, if it had a picture of Che Guerrara, a Soviet sickle and hammer, a proclamation of his homosexuality, or a Black Panther raised fist he would be allowed to remain.

Not passing judgement....but those are some of the shirts that I see at school every week.
 
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