NRA TV may be no more

[SharpDog]

Youth shooting up 142%. Let's say that's from 10k youth shooters to 14k. Awesome.

Let's say 20 million have come to regard the NRA as just being a bunch of quasi-fascists and white supremacists. Not awesome. And then attribute those qualities to gun owners in general. Even worse.

It's like a business doubling revenue (good) while increasing costs 200 times. On net - very, very bad. Keep trying to do the former, but it is even more important to stop doing the latter.

Youth shooting up from 10 million to 14.2 million IS AWESOME. With only 10K seeing the NRA as quasi-fascists I can deal with that.

I can make up numbers just as fast as you can

I think there are a lot of dishonest politics going on in these posts. JMHO.

 

[ATLDave]

ok, my perception is that the numbers are more like mine than yours. That could be right or wrong. But assuming mine are closer to eight, do you see my point?

FWIW, if your numbers were right, I’d see your overall point. There’s no chance those numbers are right, but if they were, I’d agree with you.

 

[SharpDog]

ok, my perception is that the numbers are more like mine than yours. That could be right or wrong. But assuming mine are closer to eight, do you see my point?

FWIW, if your numbers were right, I’d see your overall point. There’s no chance those numbers are right, but if they were, I’d agree with you.

erm no, I do understand the point you want to make but it is not substantiated by any facts. I don't think you see MY POINT that the NRA HAS SPENT $$$ and has many youth programs AND NO OTHER ENTITY HAS ANY YOUTH PROGRAMS AT ALL. You can search and you will find the Boy Scouts which are also supported by the NRA.

IMHO The NRA does a lot of good and damaging them for specious political reasons is stupid.

 

[SharpDog]

ok, my perception is that the numbers are more like mine than yours. That could be right or wrong. But assuming mine are closer to eight, do you see my point?

FWIW, if your numbers were right, I’d see your overall point. There’s no chance those numbers are right, but if they were, I’d agree with you.

Let me bottom line my opinion for you. Wayne could rename the NRA as Wayne's World and be more of a mobster than Al Capone. If they kept up the work they are doing and like 90% of my money went to those programs, I would wear the Wayne's World T-shirts.

 

[Elkins45]

Let me bottom line my opinion for you. Wayne could rename the NRA as Wayne's World and be more of a mobster than Al Capone. If they kept up the work they are doing and like 90% of my money went to those programs, I would wear the Wayne's World T-shirts.

The thread is about NRA TV. I understand that the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla in the RKBA world, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be improved. NRA TV had essentially become a mouthpiece for the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican Party that occasionally showed a photo of a gun. It was making enemies of people that might otherwise have been friendly or at least neutral. Regardless of how you feel about the current palace intrigue I think a good case can be made that axing NRA TV is a step in the right direction.

 

[SharpDog]

The thread is about NRA TV. I understand that the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla in the RKBA world, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be improved. NRA TV had essentially become a mouthpiece for the Pat Buchanan wing of the Republican Party that occasionally showed a photo of a gun. It was making enemies of people that might otherwise have been friendly or at least neutral. Regardless of how you feel about the current palace intrigue I think a good case can be made that axing NRA TV is a step in the right direction.

Well I liked NRATV I liked Colin, Dana, Cam and the rest, so there you go. If you want to separate out the politics, you're looking for a very fine comb.,

 

[Mowgli Terry]

Double Post

 

[Mowgli Terry]

How about staying in the here and now: These attacks on the Democrats are stereotypes with gross over generalizations. What! Outrageous! That exactly the Association has said about the anti-gun people. An over-generalization is saying all Republicans are pro-gun. What the Clique had done was to manage a propaganda engine. The propaganda went to the more radical in the base. You may find that this direction via NRATV may be a contributing factor in reduced membership and money. The divisiveness and rants are highly counter productive. Do you think this stuff from NRATV may have been a smoke screen for the looting?

I'd say if there was anybody duped it is individuals who insist on sending money now. Some of the new anti-gun groups are focused on gun violence and building grass roots support. These groups are starting to gain traction. There is no name calling from those groups that I have seen. The old way of confronting the anti-gun people may have a real factor in the negative growth rate. I had resigned because of the propaganda and creative news reporting. My decision was totally confirmed by Waynegate.

 

[SharpDog]

These attacks on the Democrats are stereotypes with gross over generalizations. What! Outrageous! That exactly the Association has said about the anti-gun people. An over-generalization is saying all Republicans are pro-gun. What the Clique had done was to manage a propaganda engine. The propaganda went to the more radical in the base. You may find that this direction via NRATV may be a contributing factor in reduced membership and money. The divisiveness and rants are highly counter productive. Do you think this stuff from NRATV may have been a smoke screen for the looting?

I'd say if there was anybody duped it is individuals who insist on sending money now. Some of the new anti-gun groups are focused on gun violence and building grass roots support. These groups are starting to gain traction. There is no name calling in from those groups that I have seen. The old way of confronting the anti-gun people may have a real factor in the negative growth rate. I had resigned because of the propaganda and creative news reporting. My decision was totally confirmed by Waynegate.

Hi @Mowgli Terry, No I don't think I have been duped. As far as attacks on Democrats:

Biden Pledges To Defeat National Rifle Association:
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...44OWC-nW85ne7d465pov-BmeUQowicKMv7g6no0sUrSQQ

Kamala Harris: I’ll Stand Up to the NRA
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/23/kamala-harris-ill-stand-up-to-nra/

Eric Swalwell Taunts NRA That They Won’t Debate Him. Dana Loesch Nails Him: ‘I’m Your Huckleberry’:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46208/eric-swalwell-taunts-nra-they-wont-debate-him-dana-hank-berrien

Elizabeth Warren Urges Democrats to Champion Gun Control, Shut Down Debate:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rats-to-champion-gun-control-shut-down-debate

CORY BOOKER WANTS TO UNLEASH THE IRS ON THE NRA:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/12/cory-booker-irs-nra/

Pete Buttigieg: Gun Control ‘Compatible with the Second Amendment’:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...control-compatible-with-the-second-amendment/



Pete Buttigieg on Gun Reform, Universal Background Checks, and Banning AR-15s:

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a27004368/pete-buttigieg-gun-control-second-amendment/

 

[SharpDog]

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[Elkins45]

Hi @Mowgli Terry, No I don't think I have been duped. As far as attacks on Democrats:

Biden Pledges To Defeat National Rifle Association:
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...44OWC-nW85ne7d465pov-BmeUQowicKMv7g6no0sUrSQQ

Kamala Harris: I’ll Stand Up to the NRA
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/23/kamala-harris-ill-stand-up-to-nra/

Eric Swalwell Taunts NRA That They Won’t Debate Him. Dana Loesch Nails Him: ‘I’m Your Huckleberry’:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46208/eric-swalwell-taunts-nra-they-wont-debate-him-dana-hank-berrien

Elizabeth Warren Urges Democrats to Champion Gun Control, Shut Down Debate:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rats-to-champion-gun-control-shut-down-debate

CORY BOOKER WANTS TO UNLEASH THE IRS ON THE NRA:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/12/cory-booker-irs-nra/

Pete Buttigieg: Gun Control ‘Compatible with the Second Amendment’:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...control-compatible-with-the-second-amendment/



Pete Buttigieg on Gun Reform, Universal Background Checks, and Banning AR-15s:

https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/a27004368/pete-buttigieg-gun-control-second-amendment/

There is a distinction between Democratic candidates and Democratic voters, especially in the south and in rural areas. My home state is more Democratic than Republican yet 5 of our 6 US Representatives and both our Senators are Republicans...but if you want to win a local election in most places other than the few large cities you probably run as a Democrat. These are not the people we need to be alienating.

 

[SharpDog]

There is a distinction between Democratic candidates and Democratic voters, especially in the south and in rural areas. My home state is more Democratic than Republican yet 5 of our 6 US Representatives and both our Senators are Republicans...but if you want to win a local election in most places other than the few large cities you probably run as a Democrat. These are not the people we need to be alienating.

exactly how does the average voter in those districts view the NRA crisis ? I would bet that 99.999 % know nothing about it.

If they do find out anything about the NRA it will be through the Democratic propaganda machine which will focus on assault weapons and children killed in mass shootings. I highly doubt Wayne will be mentioned.

<sarcasm> Oh yes I would be in favor of the second amendment if only the NRA did not have Wayne. Yes I do know there are several other organizations such as the SAF, GOA, etc but Wayne just bugs me to the point I will vote against the 2A</sarcasm>

 

[VoodooMountain]

I literally never knew there was an NRA tv. I have never seen it myself nor heard anyone speak of it.

And why are people still trying to defend the NRA? They have been doing the same thing as most every other political orginization.

Promise results, Beg for money, waste mo eye with no accountability, beg for more money.

It seems a lot of what they do to "help" or "sponsor" is more about expanding their membership ($$$) than protecting our rights.

They lost my money a while ago. I even sat down and emailed them a well thought out response as to why I wouldn't be renewing.

2 days later, another email landed in my inbox asking for money. And it hasn't stopped for 3 years.

I never did get a response about my letter.

 

[Elkins45]

exactly how does the average voter in those districts view the NRA crisis ? I would bet that 99.999 % know nothing about it.

Again, this is about NRA TV.

Waynegate is a separate thing. I’ve been complaining about NRA TV long before the Indianapolis dust up.

 

[SharpDog]

There is a distinction between Democratic candidates and Democratic voters, especially in the south and in rural areas. My home state is more Democratic than Republican yet 5 of our 6 US Representatives and both our Senators are Republicans...but if you want to win a local election in most places other than the few large cities you probably run as a Democrat. These are not the people we need to be alienating.

Again, this is about NRA TV.

Waynegate is a separate thing. I’ve been complaining about NRA TV long before the Indianapolis dust up.

Annd, how is my response re: Democratic voters not related to your direct quotes ?

 

[Mowgli Terry]

Waynegate is a separate thing

Yes, I understand what you are saying. The advertising agency produced the NRATV. Wayne was hooked up with the wardrobe buy with the agency. Point being it's hard to tease apart the players in this drama. Partners in the looting? Wayne was Master and Commander of this aberration. There's still more to be seen. Right, we live in interesting times.

 

[Elkins45]

Annd, how is my response re: Democratic voters not related to your direct quotes ?

It is not because they are separate issues.

 

[Kaybee]

As it stands endorsing any Democratic politician would not be favorable for the TRTBA. It wasn’t always that way, and I have no idea how to depolarize the issue.

But trying to gain support for guns from individual voters that aren’t republican is a good idea.

You should support republicans but it isn’t in your interest for it to be political suicide for the guy across the isle to vote your way.

In that regard the stuff I saw on NRA Tv seemed to be counterproductive.

 

[SharpDog]

It is not because they are separate issues.

then why did you make the statements that I responded to ?

 

[SSN Vet]

Mega city types are always going to vote big government, tax the rural part of the state to pay their expenses, safety-safety-safety (AKA police state), far left welfare state, nanny state, etc...

They will never support the NRA or gun rights, no matter who is head of the NRA.

They read the NY Times and Huffington Post and drink all the blue koolaide they can get their hands on.

Thinking that you're ever going to modify any gun rights group to curry favor with the Mega city critters is ludicrous.... and wreaks of false flag trolldom

Fortunately, we have the Bill of Rights and the US Senate and the Electoral College to protect small population states and rural types from the predatory instincts of the urban elites

 

[SharpDog]

As it stands endorsing any Democratic politician would not be favorable for the TRTBA. It wasn’t always that way, and I have no idea how to depolarize the issue.

But trying to gain support for guns from individual voters that aren’t republican is a good idea.

You should support republicans but it isn’t in your interest for it to be political suicide for the guy across the isle to vote your way.

My first response is Youth programs
Second would be self-defense programs

The NRA is the best source for these

 

[Zendude]

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High School Shooting Teams Are Getting Wildly Popular — And the NRA Is Helping
https://time.com/longform/high-school-shooting-teams/

The challenge is how to introduce shooting sports to young people who live in large cities.

 

[SharpDog]

The challenge is how to introduce shooting sports to young people who live in large cities.

That will be much easier with the NRA than without it. Or before all the naysayers chime in, much easier with NRA donations than if they dried up.

 

[SSN Vet]

All Democrats are not anti-gun.... but the party platform is and the leadership is (which makes one wonder why a truly pro-gun D would stick around). Voting a pro-gun Democrat into office just adds leverage to the anti-gun leadership and will tank our 2A rights. Just look at how willing the middle of the road Ds were to jump on the crucify Kavanaugh band wagon. When it comes right down to it, they'll do exactly what Sir Nancy tells them to do.

All Republicans are not pro-gun... but the party platform is, as is the current leadership. They may play the 2A crowd like a fiddle, but they know what side their bread is buttered on and won't cross the wrong lines.

Also... A vote for a D is a vote for a liberal "living constitution" SCOTUS pick.... guaranteed!

A vote for an R is not a guaranteed pro 2A SCOTUS pick, but it's a LOT more likely. And even moderates like Susan Collins supported Kavanaugh and Alito and Roberts.... That's REAL 2A mileage right their peeps. That's what really matters.

 

[Mowgli Terry]

Was this polarization good to keep the money coming in. The evil Democrats are coming to take you guns. Send money. The NRA has been driven so far to the right that the polarization will continue beyond the scandal. I suspect that the NRATV with Dana et.al. especially in the wake MSD school shooting had much to do with the exodus. There was an real exodus and real reduction of contributions. What happened.