NY compliant Rifle

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I live in NY and have an AK-47 with a thumbhole stock and a bayonet mount.

I altered the bayonet mount so one would not lock in. I replaced the butt stock with a Tapco. It is awkward and I hope I get used to it at the range.
 
Scooter22 said:
What stock did you put on your AK. A thumbhole stock is illegal. Also if the bayo lug is still there thats illegal. It can't be there.
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Neither the thumb hole stock nor bayonet lug are "illegal". It would se unwise to deliver your legal opinion in such a manner.

The 2013 Gun Owner Discrimination Act (known by the deceptive name SAFE Act) lists a series of cosmetic features that are associated with detachable magazine semi auto rifles. Such rifles may have one of these features in addition to a detachable mag but are then subject to a registration requirement under the law. More than one of these cosmetic features that ignorant legislators know nothing about renders the rifle, under the Act, ineligible for ownership in the State. Neither you nor I know whether rendering the bayonet lug inoperable removes it from the "list of cosmetically scary things". Neither you nor I know, nor should we request information on, whether the rifle in question is registered or not.
 
Okay, based on the links Scooter22 has now provided it appears that bayonet lugs must be completely removed to comply with the NY (so-called) SAFE ACT. Based on the information from Exile Machine stating that their hammer grip has to be epoxied in place (permanently attached), and the language in the links provided above it appears that pistol grips must not only be removed, but one must secure something in place to prevent or make rather difficult the re-installation of a pistol grip. Essentially, it appears than banned feature must be permanently removed from the rifle.

Disclaimer: These are my opinions based upon the material I've seen thus far. This isn't legal advice. These are just thoughts that may aid others in their own research.


Last, let's not suggest that our members in New York move out of state. Let's help these folks stay compliant with the current laws, and encourage them as they fight to restore their rights. Let them decide when it's time to retreat and regroup.
 
Why don't they just sell CA compliant rifles in NY?
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Because NY is now even more restrictive than CA. NY is pushing the limit to how close a state come to making a de facto ban on semi-auto rifles without specifically banning semi-auto rifles.
 
RPNY please show me where this came from. " More than one of these cosmetic features that ignorant legislators know nothing about renders the rifle, under the Act, ineligible for ownership in the State." It has been my understanding from the start that one or more "evil" features on a semi auto that can accept a detachable mag make the rifle "illegal" and subject to registration, and have not seen any thing about any being ineligible for ownership.
I am not looking for an argument just clarification, as every time I try to read that stupid law I get a headache and can only read a little at a time!!!
 
Carbineer,

I want to avoid giving legal advice on this absurd law. I'm not a member of the NYS Bar Association, a relevant regulatory authority, or an LEO. My "ineligible for ownership" addresses options one has to transfer rifles that do not meet our legislators' version of SAFE to another state or sell it. I think it best to avoid offering opinions about the legality of other members' firearms. Scooter has now provided fairly authoritative links on the subject that we should all work off.
 
I am in agreement with you 100%, unqualified legal advice will bring nothing but trouble!! I just thought you might have read something that I had missed!! This law is so poorly written it is just mind boggling!!
 
Folks, lets quit with the bickering over semantics. Let's stick to the actual issue of what Semi-Automatic rifles are or aren't legal in NY under the new law. Let's use the info provided by or in the various links, and any other legitimate references that become available.

If I'm following, the current question at hand seems to be legality of existing firearms that are now deemed to be assault weapons in NY State. According to http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-owners, there are two key questions and answers:
Q: I have an assault weapon. Do I have to give it up?
A: No. If you have an assault weapon, you can register it with the State Police. You have until April 15, 2014 to register your weapon. Under state and federal law, some people are not allowed to possess a weapon, such as convicted felons, individuals who have been involuntarily committed, or individuals currently under an order of protection. These people will not be able to register. There is no fee for registering.
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Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an
assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.
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So, it appears that your options for compliance are to register your so-called "assault weapon", or remove all the features that make it a so-called "assault weapon" under NY State law. The deadline is this coming Tuesday, April 15th, so one should act quickly.

If you're unsure, seek the advice of an attorney of your choice who can legally practice law in NY. Again, THR is just a gun forum. I think it's a pretty darn good gun forum because of the members here, but we don't give legal advice. All anyone here can do is help you make your own decisions.
 
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