NY Gun Law....Weapons Affected.

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My question is what is Remington going to do?
They employ 1000 folks in Illion, NY and have made noises about moving out if bans start kicking in.
A number of states have offered them some great incentives to move..

But now Cuomo hasn't a tinkers chance of getting elected POTUS.

AFS
 
Really, I believe Remington has a great case for a lawsuit. Their business (I assume billions) has been greatly damaged by an unconstitutional bill passed in NY. Why can they not sue the state?
 
I feel for you guys in NY; I truly do. I have never been so disgusted with a group of politicians in my entire 66 year life. I realize it's easy to say move out of the state and not so easy to do it, but to me it seems more and more like a state creating freedom loving refugees.
 
Wow, there's a lot of bad information in this thread. Let me see if I can clear this up a little.

First, don't bother with the list in the link above, or the links that site contains. If you really want to know what the law says, here's a link to the actual language.

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013

Of note is the fact that all "Assault Weapons" must be registered within one year, and may not be transferred to another person residing in New York State, and that "High Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices" may not be possessed, and may not be transferred to another person residing in New York State. Here's the definitions for those terms. Note that I <snipped> and {paraphrased} some of the extraneous information to make it somewhat easier to read. Also note that there's a list of exceptions at the end of each quote.

By New York State definition, "Assault Weapon" means:

A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; A PISTOL GRIP <snip>; A THUMBHOLE STOCK; A SECOND HANDGRIP <snip>; A BAYONET MOUNT; A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL <snip>; A GRENADE LAUNCHER

OR

A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; A THUMBHOLE STOCK; A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;<snip>; A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS; AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE

OR

A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; A THUMBHOLE STOCK; A SECOND HANDGRIP <snip>; CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP; A THREADED BARREL <snip>; A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES, THE BARREL <snip>; A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS UNLOADED

OR

A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM

OR

A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN

OR

A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED {in the 1994 AWB}

BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT IS:

MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; OR HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM <snip>; A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF, SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922; OR ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE

And, also by New York State definition, "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:

a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, that has a capacity <snip> to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition, OR CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION, OR IS OBTAINED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF {this law} AND HAS A CAPACITY OF, <snip> MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION

[The above] does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition OR A FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A CURIO OR RELIC.

So, here are some quick observations ...

I think, if I put the wooden stock back on my Mini-14, instead of the folding stock, it would be legal, as would my Ruger factory 5-round magazine. But, my Remington R-15 VTR would be banned, even though it also came with a 5-round magazine from the factory, simply because there is no option to change out its pistol grip.

There are absolutely no references to revolvers, except shotguns with revolving cylinders.

There is a specific exemption for tube fed .22's, but no such exemption for other .22's. So, my Winchester 190 is OK, but the 10-22 may not be, depending on how it qualifies under the "one-feature" rule (target stock with a thumbhole grip? nope... banned).

Another interesting bit... the Desert Eagle is banned, due solely to it's weight (over 50 ounces is banned; the DE weighs about 70 oz.).

And, of particular interest... There is no differentiation between magazines for rifles and pistols. So, while most .45's will be OK due to their 7-round capacity, the vast majority of 9mm pistols are now effectively banned, because there are - to my knowledge - no 7-round magazines for most 9mm pistols. Likewise, many .22 pistols are effectively banned for the same reason.

Yeah... all this passed each house in less than a day (introduced on the 14th, signed into law on the 15th), with no public input, and no debate. Heck, I doubt anybody even had time to read it.

So, I wonder... can somebody that gets arrested for violation of this law claim that their rights have been violated because there was no due process granted when the law was passed?

I must say, I feel bad for the people of NYS. Surely there is a legal challenge in the works, right?
 
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Now does this also mean that once all gun stores in new york sell their guns, they cant restock with new ones because they would come with a 10 round mag which cannot enter new york ? Also why is weight in a pistol an issue? its much harder to conceil a desert eagle, its like a brick ? Its the most mindless,senseless rushed lawmaking in the history of this country....
 
And, of particular interest... There is no differentiation between magazines for rifles and pistols. So, while most .45's will be OK due to their 7-round capacity, the vast majority of 9mm pistols are now effectively banned, because there are - to my knowledge - no 7-round magazines for most 9mm pistols. Likewise, many .22 pistols are effectively banned for the same reason.

This is only true for NEW guns, those sold after the bill was signed. Existing 10 rd. mags are OK, just don't load more than 7. And, for example, the 9mm Browning HPs that have 10 rd. mags. in NY are OK, same thing just load 7. At least that's how I read it.

But, if Ruger wants to sell new 10/22s or MkIIIs in NY, or if Browning wants to sell new HPs, they will now have to ship them with 7-rd. mags.
 
(But, if Ruger wants to sell new 10/22s or MkIIIs in NY, or if Browning wants to sell new HPs, they will now have to ship them with 7-rd. mags) So every gun store in new york will not be able to restock,putting them all out of buisness or filing for bankrupcy. nice economic move,too.:cuss::banghead::fire:
 
When does the law take effect? :banghead:
The bill was introduced on Monday the 14th, and it was signed and took effect the next day, Tuesday the 15th. There is a provision that provides a registration period of one year. At which time New Yorkers will either be neutered by low capacity magazines, disarmed completely, or felons. Hey, at least they have choices, right?
 
I'm glad cops agree affected. Points out how stupid and ill advised this is.

But why do I think the armed bodyguards of Cuomo and Doomberg are all still carrying high capacity magazines?
 
Do I have to get rid of my 8 round magazines within one year?

Can I fully load up my 8 round magazines until then?
 
Do I have to get rid of my 8 round magazines within one year?

Can I fully load up my 8 round magazines until then?

If you live in new york yes they have to be gone or destroyed within a year.

No you can only load 7rnds no matter the capacity of the magazine. I believe its a misdemeanor and automatic confiscation of the mag if its loaded to 8.
 
As a NY resident, and something of an 'outsider', this whole thing saddens me deeply but does not surprise me.

I am from England, but I came to live in the States three years ago to be with my wife.
I have not yet been here long enough to apply for citizenship, so I can't yet vote.
It seems that this is no handicap however, since nobody got to vote on this issue.
What a filthy underhand way to make laws!

From what little I've seen, this is the way politicians are in NY. They appear to think that they are superior to the people they represent, and behave like rulers rather than public servants (I'm looking at you too Bloomberg).

Guys, I was there in Britain when they banned semiauto rifles, and I was there when they banned handguns.
We can't let the same thing happen here.

All I can do for now is be an NRA member, but by the time the next election comes around, I'll be able to vote...

In the meantime, I guess I'll have to sell or destroy my standard capacity magazines within a year :(
 
Guess I also wonder how many will refuse to give up their 7+ round magazines.

I would either refuse to give them up, or be out of the state....no way I would stand for that crap.
 
Just came from a gun store on long island,& they now have to write down all info on ammo sales, with drivers license,& gun stores in new york cannot order any more guns that hold more than 7 rounds.Once their inventory is gone. they are so screwed right now, no one has any idea.Even the state police dont know whats really going on & what to enforce yet.Go to a gun store in new york, the phones are ringing off the hook,its insane here.....
 
I wish it was that easy.
It's all very well saying you wouldn't give them up, but if you don't, like it or not you're a criminal.
Do I risk depriving my kids of a father for however long I would be in prison if I got caught? Should I risk being deprived of all of my Second Anendment rights by having a criminal record over a couple of magazines?
They have us over a barrel.

As to moving to another state, my wife and I would do so in a heartbeat if her divorce papers didn't forbid moving my stepson more than 30 miles away from his father.
Seven years to go until he's 18, then we're out if here.
 
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If you live in new york yes they have to be gone or destroyed within a year.

No you can only load 7rnds no matter the capacity of the magazine. I believe its a misdemeanor and automatic confiscation of the mag if its loaded to 8.

Oh man, it is much worse than that.

60 days from 1/15, it will be illegal to possess a mag larger than 10 rounds (aka pre-ban mags in NY). 10 round magazines that were possessed before 1/15 will still be legal.

60 days from 1/15 it will be a violation and fine to load more than 7 rounds in a 10 round mag in your home. Loading more than 7 rounds in a mag outside your home is a misdemeanor. Here is the very worst part - you can load more than 7 rounds in a 10 round mag at a firing range! I could not make this stuff up - you can load your mags up to shoot at targets, but not to protect your family in your own home.

It gets even better - in 90 days from 1/15 you can purchase a mag of any size that is a curio and relic. It has to be 50 years old or older, and only capable of being used in a firearm manufactured 50+ years ago. This probably means we can not keep any AK mags that are 50+ years old, but we can buy Garand en bloc clips that are more than 50 years old.
 
The Benelli M2 Tactical is an "assault shotgun" but the Benelli M4 isn't?.... What about the M1S90?

Heck, my Mossberg 930 JM will do the same thing as the aforementioned shotguns... Sorry, just read that that is not a complete list.

And James, I do believe that you still have 1 year....to move. And 10 round magazines are apparently okay so long as you possessed them prior to the bill being passed.
 
This whole law was meant to outlaw half the guns people own. What full sized semi auto pistol has a capacity of 7 or less, except a 1911?

I'd hate to own a gun store in NY right now with a good chunk of my inventory illegal to sell.
 
^ this applies to one of my best friends. He's already packed up 600 pounds of inventory to send to me to sell for him here in Free America.
 
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