OAL of an SBR

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Thankfully, I have a buddy with one already done in a MG, so he helped me out. My question is, how do you measure the OAL of something you plan on filing a form 1 on without breaking the law? I have an MP5K I'm going to SBR, and my last SBR was assembled by them (SBR receiver transferred to me after the stamp came in). I looked, but it seems like you can't. Just measure your components and guess?
 
If your paperwork says 16", for example, and your actual measurement is 18" it's not a big deal from my understanding. However, if the measurements are reversed, it could be a problem.

Even so, if you get it wrong, you can send in a correction without a problem later.
 
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Ah, that helps. I may go in under by 1/2" once the site is back up, if that's the case. Glad to know it's not a huge deal. Seemed like we would have mic'ed the AR SBR if possible, so I figured they needed to be as precise as possible.
 
Barrel measured from breech face to end of the barrel (Excluding any removable components such as brakes). Using a small wooden dowel or similar helps.

Firearm OAL measured vertically, with any stocks extended. Place in a corner or against a wall and mark the top.
 
If you are going to stick with the original style setup, then I would list the OAL according to Heckler and Koch. Since you said this would be an SBR, I'm assuming you mean the MP5K-PDW (folding stock) and not the regular MP5k (front and rear pistol grips, but no stock), and so you should be at 22.44 inches.

If the gun in question does not have a 3-Lug barrel and the barrel terminates at the triple tree, then things get a little tricky, because your gun will be shorter than the published specs for the MP5K-PDW.

I don't know how much of a big deal the accuracy of the measurements really is. My M92 SBR is papered at the incorrect length. When I filed for it, nobody had performed my exact conversion yet, so I couldn't get any help from other owners. Best I could do was make an estimate based on published numbers, which turned out to be off by about 2 inches. Published specs being that far off, who woulda thunk it? :rolleyes: What does the ATF want me to do, buy all the parts and measure it out myself before filing? Don't they also consider that to be "Constructive Posession?" The soothsayer aspect of forecasting the exact length seems to be some sort of cruel joke.

At the end of the day, the ATF knows you are in possession of that firearm in an SBR format. Do they care if it is one inch or two inches off? I don't know. I understand that they like to be informed of changes, but that's where the train tracks end.
 
I had the same problem as I wasn't sure of the exact size barrel I was going to use. Called my lawyer and he suggested the following:

Send in a letter to ATF specifying additional configurations. That way you can get a Form 1 in different configurations and calibers. This can be done after you get your stamp or can be submitted when applying for a Form 1. :D
 
The measurements don't have to be precise. There have been no arrests or convictions for someone possessing a shortened SBR/SBS. If there are any major changes in configuration, you can send a courtesy letter to them indicating such. This eliminates any confusion if/when it's transferred.
 
Top Nurse I had the same problem as I wasn't sure of the exact size barrel I was going to use. Called my lawyer and he suggested the following:

Send in a letter to ATF specifying additional configurations. That way you can get a Form 1 in different configurations and calibers. This can be done after you get your stamp or can be submitted when applying for a Form 1.
Wait a minute...........you have multiple Form 1's or a Form 1 that shows multiple calibers and "different configurations"? That would fly in the face of everything ATF NFA Branch has done in the past. Typically such a form would be rejected.

It doesn't take a letter to ATF to change the barrel length, change to Title 1, change the OAL or change caliber. You are free to do that anytime you want. ATF does prefer that you notify them when such a change is permanent.
 
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