OAL question but hopefully not the usual

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Been thinking (which is never good). I have been trying figure out why OAL would make a difference in accuracy. So here it is.............

Am I better off having a bullet OAL that almost (or does) touches the lands? I am probably over thinking this, but theoretically, if the bullet is short it would wobble until it got to the rifling, but it shouldn't if the ogive (????) is touching the lands, but still allows the gun to go into battery. Am I totally wrong with this thinking?

I am not loading for rifle right now, just handgun, so it probably does not matter as much.

Thoughts?

Thanks

Pete
 
Loading so the bullet is into the lands is something benchrest shooters do. If your going to chase the lands you will be adj your OAL every few rounds due to throat erosion. Bench rest shooter that do this have very little neck tension, have the OAL long and use the bolt to seat the bullet. This keeps up with the constant change. I do not recommend the for someone starting out for the danger of over pressure. There are a lot of bullets on the market these days that are design for long jumps. Many mfg machine their chambers such to keep you away from the lands. So loading to the lands is difficult unless your single loading a round. And then it may not be reachable depending on the bullet. Then if a magazine fed you have to load to fit the magazine which also restricts OAL. Most of us load to suggested OAL recommended, then only adj the length as a fine tuning the load.
 
IMHO, for pistol reloading, there are several reloading variables that significantly overshadow other reloading variables like headstamp, primer brand, flashhole uniformity, etc.

- Bullet type, quality and consistency
- Bullet sizing and fit with barrel (more important for lubed lead bullets)
- Powder charge consistency
- OAL/COL and high pressure gas leakage
- Bullet seating depth and neck tension

With most bullet types, for initial load development with a new bullet, I first determine the max OAL for my barrel and then longest working OAL for the pistol and magazine. Using longest working OAL for powder work up minimizes bullet jump time to start of rifling which reduces affects of high pressure gas leakage. With 40S&W TCFP/RNFP bullets, using even longer than SAAMI max OAL of 1.142"-1.155" produces more accurate loads.

But if I am using bullets with shorter base like 9mm 115 gr FMJ/RN, more consistent neck tension/more efficient powder burn which results in more consistent chamber pressures from deeper seating bullet depth (like 1.110"-1.115" instead of 1.150"-1.160") overshadows affects of high pressure gas leakage to produce more accurate loads.
 
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I spent some time years ago chasing the cartridge OAL with a rifle. Found out it was a waste of time for my kind of shooting (300yds or less). Loaded up some hunting bullets with a shorter OAL and it made no difference in accuracy. I guess if you are bench rest shooting to 600 yards or more seating bullets closer to the lands could make a difference but I think you probably need a lot of other special things to really make a difference starting with the rifle and barrel you use.
 
Okay... so that's a no :)

Talk to me about neck tension, or in my case the crimp on my 9mm and 38 special.
 
I only reload 38 special not 9mm and all I do is seat the bullet to the middle of the cannelure for jacketed bullets or to recommended COL if using plated and because I tend to load down I apply a light roll crimp always in a separate operation and not when I seat the bullet. Maybe some else can help you with 9mm.
 
I use a crimp that "looks good" for 38 and I apply just enough crimp to end up with a width of .378 on my 9mm (I use .356 bullets). However, I have never tested more or less on either bullet because I do not understand how it would affect accuracy. I get pressure build up from too much crimp, but that's it. I guess it is the pressure increase or decrease that ultimately would affect it.
 
This is such a commonly debated topic, it's nearing "troll status" applied to anyone who might bring it up. You'll likely find a lot of folks who will tell you it doesn't matter much, or you'll find others who'll say it's absolutely critical. Personally, I weight my reloading for precision like this: bullet weight & length fitting my twist rate and velocity = 50%, finding a well suited powder which offers a forgiving powder window at my desired velocity (near max) = 30%, Seating depth = 12%, and everything else you could possibly imagine = 8%. When I develop a load, I start based on the rules of thumb you'll see below and pick a "standard" base-to-ogive length, work with a few known good powders, then when I find a happy charge weight, I manipulate my seating depth to try and close down horizontal.

For handgun, seating depth isn't irrelevant, but not many folks shoot a handgun well enough to notice the difference between seating depths on the target. For revolvers, I like to seat to cylinder length whenever appropriate, else I'll focus on crimping in the cannelure or crimp groove, OR enough seating depth to ensure I don't jump crimp. For pistols, I find a good powder charge and work in and out a bit to see if it moves on target, but I'll typically load pretty close out to the lands.

For rifles:

Seating depth, or rather the desired bullet jump, depends upon a lot upon the type of bullet chosen. Monometal bullets like the Barnes TTSX or Hornady E-Tip like a long run, so these traditionally shoot their best when seated to 50-70thou off of the lands. Secant profile bullets like VLD's tend to need to be rather close to the lands, or preferably kissing or even jammed, to help ensure they enter the rifling true, since the ogive doesn't flow smoothly into the bearing surface as it does in a Tangent ogive bullet. Dual Cavity or segmented core bullets like the A-Frame or Partition tend to act like the monometals, and prefer a lot of run up into the rifling, so 50-70thou jump. Tangent "match" bullets are incredibly forgiving, and might hit their sweet spot at 5 thou clear out to 40thou. Hybrid bullets blend the secant long ogive with a tangent curve at the bearing surface junction, so these tend to be more forgiving, although not as much as a traditional tangent ogive match bullet, so I generally find my sweet spot between 5 to 25thou for these.

For most of my loads with non-mono or non segmented core bullets, I'm between 5-15thou off of the lands - starting whenever I first start loading for that bullet, and rarely if ever actively chasing the lands as the throat and leade erodes. For VLD's, I'll be 5 thou out to 5thou jammed - jammed in bench rifles, out for hunting/field rifles.
 
I seat for function in auto pistol calibers. I have some better than me loads in 9MM and .45 doing it that way, so I'm happy.
 
I have found in 9mm sometimes seating shorter gives better accuracy. Only way to tell in your gun with your load would be to try it..
If you go shorter you will need to drop the charge back a bit to get the same velocity.
VERY general but with a medium power 9mm load going from say 1.10 to 1.08 upped the vel about 30fps.
If you are loading close to MAX you will need to work up again with a shorter OAL.
 
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