Autolycus
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Well we can all hope that Ron Paul somehow pulls off a miracle. Otherwise the country is going to be screwed again for the next few years.
Obama Claims He Supports Individual Gun Rights
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The Sheriff
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Well,
At least the NRA will save a lot of money in not having to endorse ANYONE for President this time around.
Which is fine, because we are in for a helluva fight, no matter who wins.
At least the NRA will save a lot of money in not having to endorse ANYONE for President this time around.
Which is fine, because we are in for a helluva fight, no matter who wins.
Winchester 73
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This is the ultimate truth.The Cult of Obama
Scary,but very enlightening.The erudite Charles Krauthammer:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html
February 15, 2008
Obama Casts His Spell
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns -- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.
And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.
This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."
"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."
And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.
Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.
ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cultish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."
That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism ... ," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."
You might dismiss The New York Times' Paul Krugman's complaint that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality" as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."
I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.
But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.
Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's President Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.
Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.
Scary,but very enlightening.The erudite Charles Krauthammer:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obama_casts_his_spell.html
February 15, 2008
Obama Casts His Spell
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns -- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.
And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote. Barack Obama is getting millions.
This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."
"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."
And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.
Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.
ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cultish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."
That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism ... ," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."
You might dismiss The New York Times' Paul Krugman's complaint that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality" as hyperbole. Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."
I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.
But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.
Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's President Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.
Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House. My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.
larry starling
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Right!!! These Idiot"S will say what ever it takes to get votes...If he ever was to get elected president the first thing he does is enact a new assault rifle ban and work to take away our rights to own firearms....Then he will raise taxes and further destroy what ever freedoms we have left!
its funny how a bunch of liberals who want to move forward want to take away every gun not based on a model made before the year 1911. Talk about modernizing and progress, huh
I think Hillary is the real gun-grabber, but Obama is the only one who could get away with it if this hype he has keeps up with him. Hopefully, dems lose majority soon. If not, then we'll have to shift from arguing about being able to own guns to being able to own any kind of gun. That is what will be a royal pain in the butt to fight.
I think Hillary is the real gun-grabber, but Obama is the only one who could get away with it if this hype he has keeps up with him. Hopefully, dems lose majority soon. If not, then we'll have to shift from arguing about being able to own guns to being able to own any kind of gun. That is what will be a royal pain in the butt to fight.
mordechaianiliewicz
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All the Dems know that guns are a losing issue, and while we have Dems plenty on the state levels who are good on guns, on a federal level, look at MA, IL, and CA to see what these guys really want to do.
The problem is that the state level folks either never get far in federal politics, or like Clinton and Gore, they sale out on an issue they are generally good about on a state level (although I suspect guns were always an always for sale item with Bill Clinton, Obama is a pure gun grabber.) Everything he said in IL and all the laws he's supported say he will do everything he can to ban and confiscate firearms.
The problem is that the state level folks either never get far in federal politics, or like Clinton and Gore, they sale out on an issue they are generally good about on a state level (although I suspect guns were always an always for sale item with Bill Clinton, Obama is a pure gun grabber.) Everything he said in IL and all the laws he's supported say he will do everything he can to ban and confiscate firearms.
stubob2517
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It amazes me that a former Constitution Law instructor (Obama) believes the Constitution is a 'living document' that you can 'interpret' for guidance.
clemsonu0219
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Our biggest enemy in this election is Barrack Obama...and I hate to say that because I cannot stand Hillary. But she is slightly more "pro-gun" than Obama is.
txgolfer45
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Now Hillary says she supports individual gun rights. 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_wisconsin
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_wisconsin
DomMega
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Yeah, microstamping is a great idea because only law abiding citizens are the ones out there doing drive bys and murdering people in the streets because of a lack of something better to do with their time. That microstamping law is one of the main reasons (besides the financial ones) that I left California. All anyone has to do is go to a shooting range, pick up someone elses microstamped shells, leave them at a crime scene, and now us law-abiding citizens immediately become criminals over night for something some intellect in congress thought would be a good idea. I believe that when it comes to common sense, many of those whom we elect in this country are just seriously lacking any kind of it.
Apparently Hilary just went and said that she supports the 2nd Amendment too and that Americans have the right to own firearms for protection. The bottomline is that both of these people are trying to get elected and they're both trying to sew up their extra votes from the gun owners of America, seeing they are about oh......80 million of us!
Don't be fooled by their verbal mass seductions to the public. They don't have the answers, they just think they know whats best for America.
Apparently Hilary just went and said that she supports the 2nd Amendment too and that Americans have the right to own firearms for protection. The bottomline is that both of these people are trying to get elected and they're both trying to sew up their extra votes from the gun owners of America, seeing they are about oh......80 million of us!
Don't be fooled by their verbal mass seductions to the public. They don't have the answers, they just think they know whats best for America.
Big45
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This is activism how again?
dave_pro2a
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Lies to get elected.
Politics as usual.
Politics as usual.
geophysicishooter
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from Obama's Website: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate
in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target and trap shooting that may not necessarily
involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the
constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding
Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.
I know this is preaching to the choir but he acts as if the only legitimate reason to own a gun is for the purposes of hunting and sportshooting.
Whatever. i guess we should outsource our right to self defense to India.
PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters own and use guns each year. Millions more participate
in a variety of shooting sports such as sporting clays, skeet, target and trap shooting that may not necessarily
involve hunting. As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the
constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding
Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting.
I know this is preaching to the choir but he acts as if the only legitimate reason to own a gun is for the purposes of hunting and sportshooting.
Whatever. i guess we should outsource our right to self defense to India.
Obama is yet another example of someone who uses clever words to disguise his true intent. Has any politician who votes to limit gun rights ever come out and said anything but that he supports gun rights? Of course they don't say they are against the 2nd amendment; they just use contorted logic to find a way to thwart its language and intent. Somehow it is necessary under the Constitution to first investigate and then limit who can buy a gun, while nobody in their right mind would consider it Constitutional to investigate and limit who can buy a printing press or a computer in order to insure the safe exercise of your 1st amendment rights.
Winchester 73
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Against the biggest threats to our future as a Republic:Clinton and Obama.
Does that qualify as being actively engaged?
Broaden the horizon.
txgolfer45
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Obama is changing his message to attempt to appeal to gun owners. But, a leopard doesn't change his spots. He is pure anti-gun. His voting record and tight relationship to the Chicago mayor bear this out.
We need to keep monitoring Obama's 2nd Amendment position as it has changed in recent weeks. Hillary now claims she supports individual gun ownership.
Both also put a big caveat on their recent pro-gun ownership stances. They support "common sense" local gun regulation. Their approach to common sense is right in step with the Brady bunch!
We need to keep monitoring Obama's 2nd Amendment position as it has changed in recent weeks. Hillary now claims she supports individual gun ownership.
Both also put a big caveat on their recent pro-gun ownership stances. They support "common sense" local gun regulation. Their approach to common sense is right in step with the Brady bunch!
TexasRifleman
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Well, when every other political thread on here has been locked shortly after starting it just kinda stands out as a curiosity.
scout26
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Yes, there's a right, and No, you can't exercise it.
txgolfer45
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My activism is to continually email both the Clinton and Obama campaigns to tell them that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunter and sportsmen's rights. 
The Sheriff
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Not really politically oriented, as much as it is activist oriented because of the very real threat to our Second Amendment rights. As far as I can tell, the thread, and the subsequent posts have stuck right to the discussion on the Second Amendment issue.
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