Odd Gauges and Bores....

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Back before breechloading arms were invented, shotgun bores were as varied as the folks shooting them. Since the ammunition was assembled in the bore, no need for standardization. Most fowling pieces were made in small shops, and if a 17 gauge SxS tickled your fancy, go for it. Many of these fowlers came with punches that would make the right size of wad as part of the tool kit and a dowel that was the correct size to make up combustible paper cartridges like those used in muskets of the time.

When Parker brought out their first breechloading shotgun shortly after The UnCivil War in the late 1860s, it was a 14 gauge. The next year other gauges were introduced by Parker, including the 12 gauge, 11 guage and 10 gauge. Other companies followed suit, but by the 1870s and 80s things settled down to more or less what we still have available plus the big 8 and 6 gauges. Companies did have differing ideas on what comprised a certain gauge, but by 1900 just about any given shell worked in any given shotgun of that specifed gauge and length.

The 12 gauge proved to be where the lines on the graph crossed between portability and effect and has become the most popular gauge by far.

Other gauges took their time disappearing, and some have reappeared.

The 16 gauge was the darling of upland gunners but offered too little compared to the 20 gauge after new improvements in ammo raised the bar. Still, Remington, Browning and Beretta have brought out new 16s recently, and some old ones have been dusted off and pressed back into service. A 16 gauge works well with an oz of shot, and an oz of shot works well with lots of small to medium sized critters.

The tiny but amazingly effective 28 gauge has also seen a lot of ink in the shooting press lately and with good reason. Us Baby Boomers are appreciating a light but useful scattergun for stuff that doesn't need a teacup full of 2 shot to fold as we approach Geezer status. Ruger's Red Label and Remington's 1100 Sporting 28s are affordable, durable and are making many hearts glad. Even NEF's little single in 28 makes the grade, it may be very close to the ideal take along for those of us who spend much time in the woods. A 5 lb 28 gauge doesn't kick hard and the ammo is quite portable.

There's other gauges out there, and some have recently crawled out into the light.

On a recent TV show, writer and Beretta employee Chris Dorsey used a 24 gauge O/U as part of a bird hunt. Never heard of a 24?

Not common now, but at one time fairly common in Europe for youngsters and those shooting songbirds. "Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie" is not just a nursery rhyme. European diet has included smaller birds for centuries. The standard load for the 24 was 13/16 oz and does nicely inside 30 yards or so for smallish game birds including dove and quail.

The late Don Zutz had a Neumann 24 gauge SxS for a while, and held it in high regard as a grouse gun. Both loaded Fiocchi ammo and components can be obtained from mail order places like Ballistic Products now, and some WWII bringbacks have surfaced. Domestically, both "Good" doubles like LC Smiths and cheapies like Iver Johnson single shots can be found on occasion in 24 gauge. Prices oft are low due to not being able to get ammo at Walmart.

The 24 has its following, partly because of its novelty and the fact that few are around,so a 24 gauge owner has some status by owning it. To some folks, that's important. It's a viable choice for a reloader, thought I doubt Spolar or PW will ever offer a progressive press for it.

MEC doesn't catalog it, but I understand they will take special orders for the 24 for all their presses.

Even more obscure and unknown is the 32 gauge. This Lillyputian load falls between adequate and not enough. It's a starling destroyer, developed for garden guns to take pests off the count without endangering or alarming the neighbors. A surprising number of decent quality doubles have been made for it, as well as cheap singles. In effect it's a stronger 410, and while a step in the right direction, it's not enough stronger to merit much attention. A fun toy perhaps, but I'd hate to have to feed my family with it.

Finally, myth has it that a member, now deceased, of England's Royal family had his bespoke Purdey's made in 14 gauge. Purdey furnished the ammo also. Supposedly, this was to keep others from bumming shells. Dunno about that, but occasionally the gun lists at places like Lewis Drake will list a 14 from a famed maker, so one has to wonder......
 
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Funny you mentioned a 17 gauge, about 20 years ago I used to shoot one, but a friend talked me out of it. I still shoot a 14 ga. SxS ML. Then you talk about my favorite small gauge SxS, the 24. Ammo so far is not a problem, I can get 4s,6s, and 8s delivered to my door for $100 a flat. Relize it's not the cheapest shotgun I shoot, but great for woodcock and bunnies. If I could find a reasonable 32 I'd like to try it. Ammo is the same price. I should contact MEC and get a 24 reloader, factory not far. Have a good day.
 
Cabela's listed a modern 24 gauge OU for several months earlier this year. I think the price was $800.
I considered buying it just for the effect on people I occasionally hunt grouse with.
It was sold before I made up my mind.
 
Great Post Dave- Thanks!!

I get a kick from the History Lessons -

I've run a straight in Skeet with a 32 ga,taken game as well.

I still have some hulls and shells...dont have a shotgun to shoot 'em, have the memories tho'.

IIRC the 8 ga is used to clean boilers, Winchester used to show the load listing on their website...
 
Thanks, folks.

Popplecop, IIRC, the extremely fancy flint double N Boucet made for Napoleon I was a 17 gauge.

IMO, a ML 17 gauge would be quite the ticket for an anachronistic quail hunt. An oz of hard 8s in front of about 50 gr of 3F should do it. Duplicating 16 gauge performance would be a snap.

ACP, $800 is a lot to just make an impression, and my guess is you might have to pry it out of LLM's clutches on frequent occasions.

Steve, BP also carries once fired 8 gauge hulls and components. I believe the hulls are Federals.
 
When I was a kid, we lived for a few years in the small town in central Missouri where my dad grew up. The VFW used to have a couple of turkey shoots every year, which my dad took me to. Us kids used to go around collecting the empties from the firing line between rounds. I recall picking up 24, 28, and 32 gauge shells, in addition to the common ones. I have to wonder who had a 24 or a 32 gauge and a supply of ammo in some little backwoods town on the edge of the Ozarks.
 
Dave:
I hear you on Little Loudmouth. He's gun-struck, just like his old man.

I was looking for a smaller gauge OU than my 20 anyway, so if I bought the 24 it wouldn't actually have been just for the impression.

I got to figuring that the guy I thought I would impress might have a 24 gauge stuck away somewhere anyway. On successive bird hunts one fall he used a Darne 20 gauge, a nice side by side 28 gauge, and a Ruger 28 gauge OU!
 
In muzzle loaders, I currently own 24, 20, 16, 14, 12, and 8 gauges. Which works out to approximately .58, .62, .66, .69, .72, and .77 caliber if shooting roundball. I have also owned an 11 gauge doglock musket in the past, .75, the "three quarter" bore as I called it.

The 12 gauge I currently own is too thin walled for roundball use, but the 8 gauge is actually a blunderbuss. You can sure load it easily! The muzzle on the puppy flares up to 1.25", which makes it a nasty sumgun to look at! :eek:

Don't y'all wish someone made a modern blunderbuss? I figure a 12 or 14" barreled 12 gauge pump that opened up to around an inch at the muzzle would be an IMPRESSIVE riot gun. I realize that the flare doesn't necessarily help the shot pattern, but the "oh crap" factor would be worth a little pattern degradation! :D
 
Jub, WWII'sw aftermath was that thousands of European guns came to the US. Some of these were Mauser barrelled actions that fit into duffle bags without stocks and both Bishop and Fajen got off to a good start restocking these.

But break action guns could be stashed in GI duffles without leaving aby wood behind, so they were in demand. Lots of these were fancy and combination guns like the Drillings, others were doubles of all gauges. 16s were common.

MD National Guard's 29th Division was activated as an Infantry unit and lots of our neighbors back then has served in that outfit. All of them had brought back guns ranging from engraved pistols to shotguns. Two men who helped with the Boy Scout troop I was in had drillings, and one had a beautiful 28 gauge SxS we used at summer camp for skunk duty.

Note, shooting a skunk near the mess tent is rarely a good idea.

ACP, that sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Also, I do think the right 24 gauge would make an outstanding grouse wand.

M, 16s aren't wierd, just not popular. It's a shame, because a proper 16 has just enough oomph for the uplands without excess weight or kick.

Jub,FYI, the late Chas Askins had a Model 12 he used in the Border Patrol with the barrel lopped off to 20" or so with a Polychoke installed. He claimed the enlargement really took the fight out of Contrabandistas.....

How about some pics of your antiques? Thanks....
 
Thanks, a couple things....

Old time muskets oft came in bore sizes that we know as common gauges now. The 69 caliber Flinter that was used in our Revolution by both sides is also a 16 gauge. The 72 to 75 caliber Brown Bess (The bore varied over the century or so of production) is close enough to the modern standard of .729", or 12 gauge, to be considered so.

The 54 Caliber Model 1803 Harper's Ferry flinters used by Lewis and Clark work out close to 28 gauge.
 
You do have to wonder about the proper classification of the old time muskets - if they are loaded with buck and ball, are they rifles or shotguns?:confused:

Or both!:eek:
 
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