Of All The Places!

[svtruth]

There is a current thread on democraticunderground.com discussing microstamping.
The majority of the sentiment is against it as unnecessary, ineffective and impossible to implement.
Who'd a thunk?

 

[TurtlePhish]

Well... it really IS unnecessary, ineffective, and impossible to implement. If anyone really sat there and thought over it, they'd eventually come to that realization.

Not to make any political statements or anything, but that IS surprising.

Though remember, this is THR, and we don't do political generalizations (or general politics!). There are gun owners on both sides of the political divide.

 

[smalls]

The funny thing about that site, is that every time I've read a thread started by an anti, it gets shot down by the pro's. And they're Democrats

 

[blarby]

You'd be surprised how many of my fellow pro-gun liberals there are. Funny thing is, we're all about rights. Making sure everyone gets them, not taking them away.

The true ones, anyway.

 

[smalls]

I have some real left wing nuts for friends, that shoot more than I do!

 

[Trunk Monkey]

One of the Moderators here is a regular pro RKBA contributor over there. and the poster that started the thread in question (on DU) is a rabid anti who was deliberately trolling for a response

 

[Skribs]

Blarby, that's why I always wondered about the average, stereotypical liberal - they're all for rights, but the "liberal" position on gun control is to take rights away.

Of course, a coworker of mine said the difference is liberals want rights, conservatives want responsibility. At least as far as a generalization of the "good ones" is concerned. Thing is, gun ownership is a right, and it requires responsibility. No reason why someone who hasn't proven to be irresponsible (i.e. gotten a felony conviction for a violent crime) can't have one

 

[hso]

Folks who toss out epithets like "Libs" and "Democrats" just aren't paying attention to the fact that there are plenty of self identified left/liberal/Democrat folks that are avid shooters that are tired of the Anti propaganda. If you can't accept the fact that this is the case it is more a reflection of bias on our part than theirs.

I have "hippie" as shooting buddies and academics as shooting buddies and priests and rabbis and ministers as shooting buddies as well as the opposite end of the spectrum. I also know folks that you'd think are cliche' 2A supporters that just don't trust the "unwashed masses" with the right to keep and bear arms.

Complex issues don't respond to simpleminded thinking.

 

[bergmen]

Can you provide a direct link? It is too nauseating to try to navigate that site my blood pressure can't handle it.

Thanks.

Dan

 

[Ryanxia]

Hmm, svtruth goes to these types of website... I believe we have.. AN IMPOSTER! Irregardless (yes I used that word) that he's been a member since 2005.

/end sarcasm

But seriously I guess it just goes to show everyone has different views that don't always fit into classified types of believes.

 

[Wanderling]

Blarby, that's why I always wondered about the average, stereotypical liberal - they're all for rights, but the "liberal" position on gun control is to take rights away.

Of course, a coworker of mine said the difference is liberals want rights, conservatives want responsibility. At least as far as a generalization of the "good ones" is concerned. Thing is, gun ownership is a right, and it requires responsibility. No reason why someone who hasn't proven to be irresponsible (i.e. gotten a felony conviction for a violent crime) can't have one

Far too much stereotyping and generalization. I am not referring to your post per se, but to the entire "libdem / conservative rep" divide.

The Democratic party is not truly liberal, and the Republican party is not truly conservative. "Liberal" and "conservative" definitions are too broad and too vague and everybody means slightly different things when using them.

Neither of these parties are ideologically pure. They are coalitions of people with very different views, united for some common goals but very different in their world view on most things. There's very little in common between a university educated left leaning professional, a blue collar Union member, and an inner city welfare mother. There's similarly very little in common between a rich Republican supporter who doesn't want high taxes or restrictive business regulations, or a fairly poor Southern religious family that feels that Democrats are against religion and traditions.

And most supporters of either party are people with their own beliefs, who don't subscribe to the party line wholesale. So yes, there are many Democrats who support 2A, and I believe there are many Republicans who are really anti-2A but are using it in the meantime as a sound slogan. Just like family values - one guy had Monica, the other went wild in a toilet stall, take away propaganda and at the end of the day they are really all the same.

By the way, if you look at which presidents had the worst record when it came to respecting Constitution and due process and people's rights, I'd say the worst were Nixon who tried to use state power to interfere with election process (R), Clinton who lied under oath (D), G W Bush who gave us the Patriot Act (R) and Obama who gladly enhanced it (D). Pretty even, won't you agree ?

 

[B!ngo]

Blarby, that's why I always wondered about the average, stereotypical liberal - they're all for rights, but the "liberal" position on gun control is to take rights away.

Of course, a coworker of mine said the difference is liberals want rights, conservatives want responsibility. At least as far as a generalization of the "good ones" is concerned. Thing is, gun ownership is a right, and it requires responsibility. No reason why someone who hasn't proven to be irresponsible (i.e. gotten a felony conviction for a violent crime) can't have one

No. Perhaps your stereotype of a liberal is that they are all or mostly anti-gun. As a liberal who is pro 2nd amendment, a gun owner, and friends and acquaintances with many like-minded libs, I assure you that is simply wrong.
I will admit that most pro-gun liberals are less likely to be publicly defending the RKBA (did I get that acronym right?), but in the voting booth, they are no different than many non-libs. And more often than many, they do vote.
Finally I assure you that repeatedly articulating this stereotype does nothing but alienate those liberals who otherwise would be a supporter.
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