Officer responds to Cougar call...Kills Kitty Cat

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Officer mistakes cat for lion
Officials got call about a cougar; Cat was shot, killed @pcred:Brett Snow * staff photographer @pcut:Redlands Animal Control Supervisor Gayle Lipes, accompanied by an unidentified police officer, carries a neighborhood cat shot and killed by a Redlands police officer
By JOE NELSON
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Friday, January 16, 2004 - REDLANDS - A police officer shot and killed a neighborhood cat he thought was a mountain lion Thursday after two cougar sightings were reported in the same area over the last eight days.

Animal control officers were sent to a home in the 1500 block of Crestview Road about 11:30 a.m. They were met by a police officer who emerged from a home carrying an AR-15 assault rifle.

The officer told Redlands Animal Control Supervisor Gayle Lipes he had shot the cat, which he described to her as very large and resembling a wild animal.

"Why the hell did you shoot it before we got here?" Lipes asked.

Clearly upset, Lipes and another animal control officer got back in their truck and drove to the clearing between Crestview and Marion roads where the carcass of the black-striped cat lay. She scooped it into her arms and placed it in the truck.

Alice Worme, 81, and her daughter-in-law, Alvina Worme, who are visiting relatives living at the home, first spotted the cat. Thinking it was the mountain lion they saw Thursday and Sunday, they called police.

"We watched it walking along the fence. It rested a while and started walking again. It's just getting closer and closer every day," said Alice Worme, who stood on the back patio Thursday looking into the clearing below where the cat was shot.

Alvina Worme said she's been getting a workout lately trying to keep a dachshund named Heide and a Siamese cat named Bradley, who she's been caring for, away from danger.

"Because we've had these little animals around, I've been vigilant," she said. "I've run off about 30 pounds this week."

Redlands police Capt. Tom Fitzmaurice said the officer who shot the cat was standing about 60 yards away when he spotted it near a high growth area.

He said police followed proper protocol and were given discretion for such actions by state Department of Fish and Game officials after the two reported mountain lion sightings on Jan. 8 and on Sunday.

"We're very concerned for people's well-being up there. There are a lot of children and people who walk around," said Fitzmaurice. "The officers truly thought it was the cougar. They really feel bad."

Between November 2001 and January, there have been 31 cougar sightings in southeast Redlands. Also on Thursday, a woman called animal control reporting she saw a mountain lion Sunday near Alessandro Road and Sunset Hills Lane, Lipes said.

Animal-control and Fish and Game officials announced this week all the sightings in the last couple of years could involve the same mountain lion because of the general area of where the sightings have occurred and the about 100-square-mile space that a single cougar claims as its territory.

"The bottom line is, if we have a mountain lion in someone's back yard, we find it acceptable for the mountain lion to be taken out," said Mike McBride, a chief of the California Department of Fish and Game. "We're not going to assume that every time this lion is in a back yard, everything is going to be fine."

But McBride wanted to stress that officials are not hunting the mountain lion.

"We are not actively looking for this lion. If there's a situation like the one we had (on Sunday), the (Police Department) has a green light, and it would be prudent for them to take action, and we will totally support that decision."

Mike McCurdy, the Camelot Drive resident who videotaped the mountain lion outside his home on Sunday, said he knew the cat shot Thursday was not the same one he videotaped.

"It comes up on my porch. It's a good-sized cat. It's a neighborhood cat," McCurdy said of the domestic feline in a telephone interview Thursday.

"I think it's the father of some of my household cats. I feel really bad. I'm thinking all this alarm ends up with a domestic cat shot."

OOPS?
 
You know, they have a wonderful new invention. It has two curved pieces of glass and sits right on your face.
 
Itchy trigger finger much?

If he can mistake a black striped cat for a mountain lion (no black stripes unless you count the muzzle) what's to say he won't mistake an innocent for a dangerous criminal? :scrutiny:

That said, at least it wasn't a human life that was lost.

(That said, I have a cat at home too.)
 
I sure wouldn't feel good about it, but I would not tolerate animal control people talking to me like this:

"Why the hell did you shoot it before we got here?" Lipes asked.

He had officer's discretion and made the decision to shoot the cat. At 60 yards who's to say what it looked like?

My experience with animal control is that many of them value anumal life over human life. That is unacceptable.

The SPCA woman who my sister spoke to the other day about getting our cat declawed was a complete BITCH. She didn't try to explain anything to us, she just started talking to us like we were garbage.
 
Another moron cop with an itchy trigger finger. If you mistake a large neighborhood cat for a mountain lion you shouldn't even be allowed to carry a gun on patrol. Let's hope he doesn't "accidently" take out a suspect next time because he fits the description of someone else. But even if he does, we know the whole department will be standing right behind him, because it would be an "honest mistake". :cuss:

The SPCA woman who my sister spoke to the other day about getting our cat declawed was a complete BITCH. She didn't try to explain anything to us, she just started talking to us like we were garbage.

Declawing a cat is a horrible thing to do to the animal.
 
Its really hard to argue with animal controlls opinion considering that Rednland's finest managed to shoot a house cat thinking it was a cougar.

And declawing a cat really is a pretty nasty thing to do to any animal.
 
Am I the only one who would want something a bit more powerful than an AR-15 when going after a cougar?

I would have been carrying my shotgun if I was the responding officer. And I can tell Fluffy from a cougar.
 
I see issues with target identification.:confused: I wonder how "big" kitty was for the officer to mistake it for a cougar. Maybe it's time for glasses.
 
I don't really have anything to say that hasn't already been said, but a little repitition never hurt anybody. If this cop can't tell the difference between a mountain lion and a house cat, he shouldn't be trusted to differentiate between good guys and bad guys ("well, the guy had pants and a shirt on and that's exactly what the suspect was wearing"). I also agree with whoever said an AR15 wasn't enough for a mountain lion. They may not be that big, but I bet if he had shot a mountain lion at 60 yards, we'd be reading about how he was mauled to death.
 
Imagine the carnage if that moron ends up in an animal shelter. :rolleyes:
Dead house cats (cougars) and dogs (wolves) everywhere. :rolleyes:
 
Well in the officers defense, how many of us have gone hunting and spent considerable amounts of time in nature? Probably most. The thing a lot of you might not realize is that there are plenty of people in the Greater Los Angeles area who have never left the area! They have never gone to the mountains, they have never gone hunting, they are urban dwelers through and through. It is possible this guy has never seen a mountain lion before. Heck, I have only seen maybe two and I never got a good look at them, True I would know the difference between the two, but it is possible this guy honest didn't. He obviously thought it was a mountain lion or he wouldn't have shot it.

I find it amusing how many dieties we have on this board who have never made a mistake before. So quick to call names and make demeaning remarks about a situation you weren't there to see. I mean come on, making the jump that he couldn't tell the difference between a good guy and a bad guy. Could you guys tell the difference between a good guy and a bad guy? Do you guys work with criminals everyday? I bet the officer knows the difference between good guys and bad guys just as well as we know the difference between a house cat and a mountain lion.

And whose to say. Maybe he did know it was a house cat. I am sure there are many of you here who would take pleasure in harvesting a big tabby cat! Hell I am surprised you guys aren't giving him a thumbs up for getting a good hit on a house cat at 60 yards with his AR. I mean that isn't ultra challenging, but here is a law enforcement officer who hit his target for a change and you guys don't even give him props for that.
 
I'd like to know a bit more about the setting in this situation. Taking out a house cat in a suburban area sounds pretty goofy. On the other hand, it's my recollection that feral cats are fair game in NY State, due to the damage they do. Article reads like it was intended to put the officer in the worst possible light.
 
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