OFFICIAL PAYPAL POLICY REGARDING FIREARMS

[fantacmet]

Well here is the link, you must login to view it.
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame&ed=weapons

For those who do not have a paypal account and do not wish to create one the following is that policy(I posted the link as evidence)

Firearms, Weapons, and Knives Policy


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FIREARMS
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any firearm. This includes all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether for use in sporting, as collectibles, or curio and relic (C&R) firearms, and regardless of their present working order. Furthermore, PayPal defines "firearm" consistent with the U.S. Code and, as such, prohibits frames, receivers, or any other serialized firearm components. For more information, please refer to U.S. Code Title 18, Section 921

Exception for Imitation and Non-Powder Guns
PayPal permits the use of its services in the sale of certain properly-conforming replica (imitation) guns, paintball guns, blank guns, and "air-soft" guns. These items must display all markings required by law, must not be able to be readily converted to shoot a lethal projectile, and blank ammunition must not be included in the sale. In addition, as no one under the age of 18 is permitted to use the PayPal Service, regardless of the jurisdiction, under no circumstances shall the use of PayPal be permitted by persons under the age of 18 for the purchase or sale of any gun, including replica (imitation) guns, paintball guns, blank guns and "air-soft" guns. For more information regarding regulations applicable to the sale of imitation firearms, please refer to U.S. Code Title 15, Section 5001. The sale of imitation guns may be regulated differently outside the U.S., and international buyers and sellers must abide by these laws accordingly.

FIREARM PARTS AND ACCESSORIES
You may not use PayPal to purchase or sell any firearm receivers or frames, components and parts of receivers and frames, or "cut" or "80%" receivers. PayPal also does not permit assault weapon-related parts and accessories, firearm silencers, and kits designed to convert a firearm to have automatic firing capability. This includes the sale of any parts or accessories prohibited for sale by the National Firearms Act or other federal or state law, including items related to short-barreled shotguns or short-barreled rifles, fully automatic weapons, large-capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators and camouflaging firearm containers.

For more information about the National Firearms Act (NFA) and its requirements, please refer to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website.

AMMUNITION
You may not use PayPal to buy or sell high-capacity magazines (those which hold more than 10 rounds), ammunition with propellant (e.g., gunpowder), or blank ammunition. The term "ammunition" means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm.

DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade, grenade launcher attachment, rocket, missile, mine or similar device. Examples: Molotov cocktails, anti-tank guns (over caliber .50), bazookas, and mortars.

MILITARIA AND ORDNANCE
PayPal prohibits the use of its services in the purchase or sale of equipment or supplies issued to and formerly used by United States Armed Forces that have not been disposed of in accordance with Department of Defense demilitarization policies. Sales of such items may constitute violations of federal law.

Furthermore, you may not use PayPal in conjunction with the sale of ordnance (military weaponry, ammunition, and related parts) unless you can provide official documentation from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) stating that the item is unserviceable or demilitarized. Contact your local ATF office for more details on obtaining such documentation

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Not notice anti-tank guns(over caliber .50) for one they don't even know how to properly state a caliber, and whats the point of even listing such if it isn't allowed overall?

 

[Zero_DgZ]

Oops.

 

[1 old 0311]

I think most gun people quit using Pay Pal years ago.

Kevin

 

[Lupinus]

or learned to not put anything firearms sounding in the item discription thing

 

[AirForceShooter]

and PayPal is owned by.......E-BAY.

I won't use either for anything.

AFS

 

[merk]

Oh thank god, we can still sell for SELF DEFENSE! Doesnt say anything about that

 

[MudPuppy]

That's an infringement.

Now, the 1st clearly states "congress shall make no law" in regards to free speech or religion. The 2nd just says "shall not be infringed". We need a pro-gun lawyer to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all of us. I'd settle for 3.8 million (each).

Paypal is anti-american. And since the terrorists like to prey on unarmed citizens (like on the airlines), the Paypal could, in my opinion, easy be considered pro-terrorist.

 

[mr_dove]

I still use paypal. Its none of their business what I'm buying or selling. Just put something exceedingly vague and leave it at that.

I do regret supporting an anti company but it is terribly convenient.

 

[Erebus]

To be honest I can't say as I blame them. With the lawsuit happy society we have today they are not making an anti-gun statement. This was totally a liability statement. They don't want to have to defend themselves in lawsuits cause they assisted a murderer to aquire the murder weapon.

Look at the way the gun makers have been dragged through the mud and sued.

 

[GunnySkox]

That's an infringement.

Trouble is, the Constitution restricts the government, not the citizens. If I form a company and I offer a service, I'm perfectly within my rights to write my terms of service dang near anywhichway I want. If I own a bank, I'm well within my rights to say "no, you're not allowed to buy firearms through me. If you want one so bad, send a money order." Of course, then you're well within YOUR rights to tell me to go to Heck and take your money back and find a bank that isn't run by a moron.

~GnSx

 

[scout26]

I still use paypal. Its none of their business what I'm buying or selling. Just put something exceedingly vague and leave it at that.

Why are you trying to make them take your money ????

 

[fantacmet]

I can see both sides of it here, but as far as the litigation part, there's more to it. Paypal is a money transfer service halfway between a bamk and western union, but alot closer to the latter. Many a terrorist has already admitted to distributing money via paypal. Western union has been used for the same purpose. Why don't they ban the sale of vehicles using their service to pay as well? What if some kid gets mommy and daddy's paypal info, buys a car(forget registration), jumps in, takes off, not knowing how to drive, and kills a schoolbus full of children? I don't see how that is paypals fault. That is the fault of the parent on multiple levels. Not raising your child properly with the difference between right and wrong, and not securing your password. Oh wait I forgot this is the day and age where only good people are held accountable for their actions, my bad.

Rev. Michael

 

[Standing Wolf]

I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots.

 

[BigRobT]

I like PayPal's concept but I don't like their ideology. I'm sure this is a CYA thing for them & EBay. Funny how EBay will allow gun parts to be sold on EBay. What they haven't BOTHERED to check out is the fact that all gun transactions need to go through a FFL Transfer dealer. There are some exceptions like antique guns and C&R holders.

 

[ScottS]

I like PayPal's concept but I don't like their ideology. I'm sure this is a CYA thing for them & EBay. Funny how EBay will allow gun parts to be sold on EBay. What they haven't BOTHERED to check out is the fact that all gun transactions need to go through a FFL Transfer dealer. There are some exceptions like antique guns and C&R holders.

I'm not sure what this means. eBay only allows gun parts, not firearms (and not even ALL gun parts. They have their own oddball alchemy as to what is or isn't allowed.), so what does guns having to go through an FFL have to do with them? FWIW, "back in the day," eBay did allow firearms, but they kicked them out in the late 90's IIRC. (Side note: You still DO see the occasional firearm inadvertantly listed on eBay--barreled receivers, etc. Sometimes they get shut down, sometimes not. I noticed this one last week: "Remington Nylon 66 Reciever Cover w sight." For you trivia buffs, the receiver cover IS the serialed firearm part of the Rem Nylon 66. Ad got shut down after 3 days.)

Back to the subject at hand. I still use Paypal for both firearms and parts transactions. I bought my last three firearms via Paypal. Bought and sold a bunch of parts. Paid my last gunsmith via Paypal, as well. Parts and service. My way of sticking it to them. I just make sure the subject line contains something completely acceptable within their Terms of Service, like "GAY PORN."

 

[Manedwolf]

Now, the 1st clearly states "congress shall make no law" in regards to free speech or religion. The 2nd just says "shall not be infringed". We need a pro-gun lawyer to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all of us. I'd settle for 3.8 million (each).

Well, it's not an FDIC-ensured bank. It's a private escrow company, and like any private company in a free enterprise system, they can do what they like. There's no legal basis for a lawsuit any more than there would be if an anti tried to sue another pay system FOR allowing firearms transactions. If you start trying to nationalize private companies and tell them they're not free to have their own rules for transactions, you might as well take down the flag and run up the hammer and sickle.

You can choose not to use them, or you can simply exchange funds without saying what it is you're exchanging them for. Most people I know do that anyway. Why the hell should PayPal know what you're buying?

 

[MagnumCaliber357]

I see firearms for sale on ebay all the time. I not complaining about it, just mentioning it. Last week i saw a remington 7400 for sale that went through a house fire. Fire is not going to detroy the receiver beyond repair. I fact, all it really needed was to be refinished and needed a couple of synthetic parts. The barrel and other operation parts were prob in opperational order. This doesnt really concern me because i really dont think an uneducated thug is going to log on to ebay and buy it, let alone tote around a gansta rem 7400 semi auto in 30 06. Ive also see 22lr which are kina harmless, note not un leathal dont flame me.

Just my 0.02 cents

 

[madmike]

I do notice their terminology is correct. "Cartridge case" not "bullet casing."

And if they have to keep checking what's posted on eBay to see what it is, they are learning. A possible in is there.

Of course, we could also have a protest day where 10,000 people all list guns for sale.

 

[mrmeval]

I'll list a gun just say when.
How about April 19th?

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

Their policy is terrible, but it's a free country and they have every right to prohibit people from using their service in ways they don't approve of.

I think the 3% charge is just unnecessary. Send a money order or check instead. If you think by using PayPal that your money is somehow "protected" by a scammer....think again. The reality is, when you fork over cash, you're trusting the other side to uphold their end of the deal. If you can't trust them with cash, then you shouldn't trust them with PayPal either.

 

[madmike]

The 3% is just like the transaction fee for using a credit card, and a fairly favorable rate.

I prefer check/mo generally, because by the time PayPal downloads, the check could have got here anyway.

 

[Maxwell]

Paypal should be concerned with getting payments from customer to customer, not over what those payments are for.