Officially done with Hornady

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Well the CD did it in my Sigma, and the FTX did it in my 1911. I can understand getting bullet setback in my 1911, it does ram it pretty hard. I just don't understand how it can only happen with Hornady, and no other brand of ammo, unless the ammo is at fault.
 
This is why I single-load my carry rounds that get rechambered repeatedly. Drop 'em in, ease the slide down, then push till the extractor snaps over the rim. Been doing it for years, never a set-back bullet or a damaged extractor.
 
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This is why I single-load my carry rounds that get rechambered repeatedly. Drop 'em in, ease the slide down, then push till the extractor snaps over the rim. Been doing it for years, never a set-back bullet or a damaged extractor.
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I switched to revolvers thus eliminating my setback concerns.

The pace at wich the ammunition industry is growing and working has me more than slightly concerned that QC of carry ammunition will suffer accordingly.
 
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Why is that? Pardon my not knowing but I do the same thing with my Kimber. Drop the round into the chamber and ride the slide up. I have done this every morning for the last 6 months and have not had any problems. Twice a week I will rotate my chambered shell into the mag and replace with a new one. Once every two weeks I fire that mag in practice and start over.

Will this practice damage the extractor of a 1911?

I have been using Hornady custom 230 grain +p or Tap 230 grain +p for a year or so in this gun and have yet to experience any bullet setback.
 
I was doing some load development last night for a 1911 I had rebarreled with a hard fit match grade. Using a 200 gr. LRNFP in a dummy round I chambered with a half dozen magazines some 30 times and measured OAL after each chambering. There was zero bullet movement, same with my standard defense loads, loaded with XTPs.

Barring loading your own or switching brands perhaps your best option would be to remove the magazine and discharge the chambered round on range days.
 
Jbkebert, yes, it damages the extractor. It's designed to have the round slip underneath it, not slam over it.

Skylerborne, are you talking about reloads? I'm guessing these problems I'm having are due to the crimp Hornady has, not the actual bullet design.
 
Yes reloads. To date, I've purchased a single box of Hornady Critical Defense (an XTP with a cavity plug) in 40 S&W. Still have 10 rounds that were also measured for set-back and also measured zero. Not enough of a sample to say on the factory crimp but agreed not a design problem as I load several thousand XTPs a year in 9mm, 40 S&W, .38/.357 and .45 ACP. If you continue to experience problems you may want to look for a round that uses a cannelure.

Another cheap solution would be a Lee single-stage press, about $25 on sale and a Lee taper crimp die, about $10 to ensure every factory round is snug. You'd also be a set of dies, powder, primers and bullets away from ever depending on factory loads again.
 
Uh, forgive me, but why not just leave the round chambered, drop the mag, unload it before you go to the range, and then load it with fmj. That way every time you go to the range you're only shooting 1 of your expensive jhp rounds. What means you'll only need to buy a new 25-round box of critical defense every 25 range trip.
 
And if I should ever need to use my weapon? Who knows what'll happen to the rest of the rounds in the mag.

Like I said, that picture is of a round that was chambered ONCE. Not rechambered. I chambered it once, and ejected it once. For all I know, the entire rest of the mag could all get set back, and cause a dangerous pressure spike.

And we're not talking about Critical Defense. I stated I no longer carry those.
 
I will be a good boy from now on. I chambered this morning over a full magazine. Then dropped the mag and topped it off.

Saturday I fired 300 rounds through my kimber of 5 diffrent types of ammo including one box of tap and another box of custom both in +P the rest just reloads. Not one single hiccup. But better to be safe than have my gun fail when I need it.
 
Coromo, I think they are the FTX.
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No, Hornady FTX is the bullet they load in the LEVERevolution ammo. The 'FT' sands for 'flex tip' and your pictures don't have that. Hornady never offered LEVERevolution in 9mm or any other semi-auto round.

Hornady FTX
Hornady Critical Defense
Hornady XTP

Critical Defense ammo is a version of the FTX technology. I believe your ammo is the XTP loads.
 
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I,ve had WWB and other cheap ammo come like that out of the box without chambering. I reload so I used a bullet puller tapped them out a bit than recrimped them. The Critical Defense have a cannelure this should make it a little harder to get bullet setback not sure why it would happen with Hornady's because the shape of their bullets would not tend to hit the lands in most guns. Hopefully you find ammo that wont do this, guess its time you bought a whole variety of ammo and chambered and ejected them all to see if its the gun the bullets or maybe even you.
 
If you reload and want to try, try putting a little more crimp your factory CD ammo. I had a few problems with a 9mm pocket pistol a couple weeks ago, and had many jams (FTF) bullets were really getting dented & scratched up, but none of them got pushed back into the case. LM
 
My Speer GDHP's I carry in my .40 have been chambered probably 100 times with no set back, my 1911 carries Hornady TAP in .45, after 20 times or so it will begin to set back.

Oh well, just choot 'em
 
I don't reload (yet). But I find it unacceptable that I'd have to "fix" my defensive carry ammunition for it to work properly. That's absolutely ridiculous to me.
 
smalls, unacceptable or not it's your current reality. For now, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Hornady. You need to concentrate on why these pistols are causing setback to occur.

A few possibilities: ramp angle. A steep angle can allow for hard impact with the ramp similar to smacking the bullet with a hammer. Recoil can be another factor. If you shoot half a magazine of your SD ammo on range day then top the magazine off and repeat each trip, the bottom rounds will be subjected to repeated jarring from recoil. Recoil spring, a heavy spring will make those collisions with the ramp even harder.

More possibilities beyond "bad ammo". I'd be curious what difference other brands would exhibit.
 
Well, like I said, I've had no other problems with any other rounds, so that's why I'm writing Hornady off, and switching.

My main point is that if brand x and y run good in my gun, but I decide to try brand z, and brand z gets crazy bullet setback after chambering a round one time, then there has to be a problem with brand z.

For those who have had good luck with Hornady, congrats. They feed well and shoot great in my gun, I wish they had worked out.
 
Never heard about that before, why do you do that?
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To help prevent the same thing the OP is having problems with. Even chambering gently the bullet gets jarred a little bit. Just figured it was safer to switch to a fresh cartridge every now and then. It also makes me work the spring in the mag by unloading a few then loading it back up.
 
Just for the heck, try some of Hornady's New Critical Duty, its supposed to have a thicker jacket. It might work better, maybe worth a try. I bought a box of 135gr. +P, but haven't had a chance to try them yet. LM
 
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