(OH) Guns Seized from a West Toledo Home

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Guns Seized from a West Toledo Home


WEST TOLEDO -- Is a Toledo man a gun collector or a possible danger? Federal agents and Toledo Police have questions about Lewis Kirk. Two days ago, police seized about 30 guns from his west Toledo home, and Thursday he was arrested when he showed up in Toledo Municipal Court. He faces three felony charges because of the guns found in the house.

His large collection of guns now sit in the police property room. The collection includes a tiny 22-caliber Derringer, a 9-milimeter Uzi from Israel, some 25-caliber pistols, and several high- powered rifles. Police say the also found 16 boxes of ammunition and magazines that hold 90 rounds, which are illegal. "If somebody has 90 rounds in a gun and it happens to be altered and fully-automatic, that's throwing 90 rounds of ammunition at you in a few seconds, pretty dangerous situation," said Detective Doug Allen of the Toledo Police.

All of the guns were found in Lewis Kirk's home on Jackman Road. On Tuesday, ATF agents and Toledo Police searched the house because Kirk was suspected of buying illegal machine guns. Agents did not locate the exact guns they were looking for, but they found the illegal gun parts, and some strange notes written by Kirk. "He talked about Ruby Ridge, Waco, employee shootings in factories where somebody apparently went in and shot up a factory, fellow employees or managers or whatever, Tim McVeigh. He talked about the presidential shooting outside the White House. He called it the White House shooter," said Allen.

Police charged Kirk with receiving stolen property because one of the guns came back as stolen. He's also charged with two counts of "possession of a dangerous ordinance" for the illgal magazines. Tonight, neighbors have their own questions. "Well, I don't think anybody needs to have that many guns to be honest with you. What's the sense of having that many guns?" said Leslie Beavers, a neighbor.

According to detectives, Kirk told police he was a gun dealer. But, court records show he was only a dealer betwen 1989 to 1992. And, police say he did not have hangun identification cards for the weapons found in his home. Lewis Kirk is scheduled to be arraigned Friday morning in Toledo Municipal Court.

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=1106870
 
Sounds like some sort of set up.

The dude should have kept up on his licenses. All this would obviously be a non factor had he done his due dillegence.

Assuming of couse that he was in fact not ready to go out and turn his 90 rounder on the masses...


Diesle
 
Fair odds this was a setup start to end.

On Tuesday, ATF agents and Toledo Police searched the house because Kirk was suspected of buying illegal machine guns.
Wouldn't you love to see the evidence that the BATmen used to support a search warrant? This is why search warrants, once used, should be public record.

Agents did not locate the exact guns they were looking for,...
Surprise.

...but they found the illegal gun parts, and some strange notes written by Kirk.
Illegal gun parts? Strange notes? What a steaming pile.

"He talked about Ruby Ridge, Waco, employee shootings in factories where somebody apparently went in and shot up a factory, fellow employees or managers or whatever, Tim McVeigh. He talked about the presidential shooting outside the White House. He called it the White House shooter," said Allen.
Better watch what you say on THR, fellows. The local cops might decide to use your posts to make you look like a nutball in the media.

He's also charged with two counts of "possession of a dangerous ordinance" for the illgal magazines.
I'm a bit confused on this one. Is there some Ohio ordinance that prohibits the ownership of certain magazines?

"Well, I don't think anybody needs to have that many guns to be honest with you. What's the sense of having that many guns?" said Leslie Beavers, a neighbor.
Ah, yes, and Maude Flanders can't resist putting her two cents in. Hey Beavers, explain to me why it is any of your damned business how many guns I own. Until then, do us all the favor of keeping your cakehole shut. You twit.

- Chris
 
:evil: Handgun ID Cards? Geez none of my handguns have ID Cards maybe they're illegal. I'd leave Ohio but I keep hanging around to see what sort of idiocy happens next.
 
"If somebody has 90 rounds in a gun and it happens to be altered and fully-automatic, that's throwing 90 rounds of ammunition at you in a few seconds, pretty dangerous situation," said Detective Doug Allen of the Toledo Police.

So we arrest people based on what could happen? Like being shoot at isn't a pretty dangerous situation to begin with? What idiots! Sounds like total BS from the first word.
 
Some places in ohio seem to have a problem with magazines over 30rounds or something. I live here and often can't find anyone who can say exactly what it is.
 
"Some places in ohio seem to have a problem with magazines over 30rounds or something. I live here and often can't find anyone who can say exactly what it is."

I believe that's State law, not local.
 
I don't believe there is a state law prohibiting large capacity magazines, but some cities prohibit magazines of a certain capacity and the firearms that accept those magazines (i.e. AR-15, AK variants, etc.).

Chances are that you might be breaking a law depending on which side of the city's line you're on. Hillard..30 rounders are okay..go a few miles into Columbus and you can be arrested. :uhoh:

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Atticus has it right. It is illegal in Ohio to have a gun *and* a magazine for it that holds more than 30 rounds. You can own 40 rd, 75 rd, 90 rd or 100 rd magazines with no problem, but if you also have a gun that they fit, you need to have a permit to posess "dangerous ordnance." This permit is available from your local cop shop for a small fee; oh... and you have to get permission from your local police chief to own it. :barf:

Toledo does have handgun and assault weapon registration. We should let California annex Toledo. They're that far gone. :(

-Dave
 
So if you buy a drum for your SAR-1, it is now considered an automatic weapon even though it fires just one round for one pull of the trigger? I wonder how many have broken the law without realizing it. :rolleyes:

So the state of Ohio can reclassify a firearm as a NFA because of its feeding device even though US Code doesn't define it that way? :fire:

Reminds me of the Ayn Rand quote:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
 
It is because there is no state preemption in Ohio. Local municipalities can promulgate their own laws regarding weapons.

And while we all might be (rightly) POed about X-round magazines being ruled illegal by a clueless city council, I note that no one is wanting to discuss the fact that one of the firearms was alleged to be, and subsequently listed as, stolen.

Since when did thieves get a pass from TFL/THR members just because they have nice toys, mmmm?

Mike
 
Chris Rhines

This kind of stalk and setup by the BATFags is so similar to the tactics used by the fictional ATF unit in my novel "Enemies Foreign And Domestic" that it's spooky.

The villain in the novel has come up with a new paradigm, the reverse of plausible deniability, which he calls "probable culpability".

If a targeted "person of interest" has too many guns, too many bullets, a few "dangerous" books (sniping, guerrilla warfare etc), and has made some "anti government" (as determined by them) statements, it's almost too easy to arrest him and paint him in the media as a Tim McVeigh or Charles Whitman on the verge of exploding.

The gun collector goes to prison, the media cheers, and the BATFags win praise for taking another dangerous "right wing gun nut Constitution fanatic" off the streets before he goes berserk.

I would say that such an operation could be mounted against most of the folks on this forum, and your neighbors would cheer when you were dragged off by the SWAT team.

http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/
 
I note that no one is wanting to discuss the fact that one of the firearms was alleged to be, and subsequently listed as, stolen. Since when did thieves get a pass from TFL/THR members just because they have nice toys, mmmm?
-Any time you buy something second, third, fourth etc. hand you run the risk of buying something that's been stolen since you can't be 100% sure of the history of the item. The story doesn't say the guy stole the gun, just that he had a gun that was listed as stolen.
 
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